Talk:Tim Berners-Lee/Archive 1

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Citation Needed?[edit]

From the intro:

However, the general ideas for the Internet were outlined, also the technological aspect, earlier than Berner-Lee's technological proposal.

Where's the citation for this? Should a note be added to add a citation or should this sentence be removed? I make no claims against the legitimacy of the statement, but it reads as if someone added it without much thought. 68.62.251.202 (talk) 00:10, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Enquire Within[edit]

Enquire Within Upon Everything, the book Berners-Lee named his prototype after, is currently doing the rounds on Distributed Proofreaders. Should I put in a link once it becomes available? -- Jim Regan 14:32, 20 Sep 2003 (UTC)

The relevant quote is here:

"When I first began tinkering with a software program that eventually gave rise to the idea of the World Wide Web, I named it Enquire, short for Enquire Within upon Everything, a musty old book of Victorian advice I noticed as a child in my parents' house outside London. With its title suggestive of magic, the book served as a portal to a world of information, everything from how to remove clothing stains to tips on investing money. Not a perfect analogy for the Web, but a primitive starting point."

-- Jim Regan 20:53, 24 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Writers[edit]

Does anybody's who's written a book get to be listed in Category:Writers? I'm pretty dubious about the appropriateness of including Mr. Berners-Lee in said category - not least because I'm trying to clear everybody out into genre sub-categories, and can't figure out what sub-category he would possibly belong to. john k 05:08, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Not everyone who writes, writes books. But what about category:autobiographers?Andy Mabbett 08:13, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Al Gore invented the www?[edit]

This seems to be a bit much. I don't claim to be an expert on Al Gore, but I know he advocated strengthening the "internet superhighway" and such, but invented? Doubtful. This is related to the belief, joking or otherwise that Al Gore CLAIMED to have invented the internet. Does anyone have more information on Al Gore's true role here? 66.95.139.107 12:54, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Yep, right here. Good old Snopes. Mr. Billion 07:34, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Furthermore, the Internet and the World Wide Web are two different things. Related, but different. RealGrouchy 16:22, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

The Al Gore statement under "See Also" seems entirely irrelvent to the article. Perhaps it deserves a mention under Internet, but not under the biographical article of a, for the most part, unrelated person. -- Exitmoose 06:39, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Broken Link[edit]

The link to CERN seems to be broken. Gerry Lynch 16:44, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Huh?[edit]

It was also at Oxford where he was caught with a friend and was banned from using the university computer soon after.

So exactly why was he banned from using the university computer? Because he was caught with a friend? Is being with friends against the rules? Was he doing something wrong to the computers with his friend? The reader is left in the dark here. [[User:Livajo|力伟|]] 22:44, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

..yeah, I also think this should be explained further 'cause it sounds like "Timmy" is not straight :)

(FWIW: I and another undergrad pysicist were using the Oxford Nuclear Physics's Lab's interactive DEC-10 system line printer, which was off limits to undergraduates. We were using it to print information for the Rag Week committee. Rag Week is a student-run charity event - a worthy cause, one might have thought. The system's manager, Joyce Clarke(e?) did not think so. It was not the main University computer. TimBL 16:47, 9 October 2007 (UTC) User:Timbl)

Boston link[edit]

The Boston link could do with updating to point to the appropriate Boston article, but I'm not sure which it is. --John 23:16, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Removing Spinning the Semantic Web[edit]

Spinning the Semantic Web isn't a work of Tim Beners-Lee. He only contributed the foreword which normally doesn't make you an author or editor of the work, or, indeed, really a significant contributer (especially for a technical work like this). It's more like an endorsement. If there needs to be another work, I would suggest the Scientific American article on the Semantic Web. He's acutally a co-author and it's one of the more widely cited articles around. If no one objects, I'll make these changes. Bparsia 03:59, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Huh? 2[edit]

Re: CSS It was not until 2000 and 2001 that popular browsers began to support this standard, which shows Berners-Lee's first goal to maintain the freedom of the Web.

I don't get it... what shows that his first goal is to maintain the freedom of the web? David Bergan 17:35, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Conflation of the Internet and the Web[edit]

... has added a paragraph to the summary at the top of the page that has nothing to do with Tim Berners-Lee but explains the differences with the WWW and the Internet. Obviously this shouldn't be there, but rather than reverse the edit I thought I'd leave it to a more experienced Wikipedian to decide whether this information is totally irrelevant, or should be edited and moved to a different part of the page. NumberJunkie 18:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

The sentence "However, the general ideas for the Internet were outlined, also the technological aspect, earlier than Berner-Lee's technological proposal." ...in the first paragraph is unnecessary, since the preceding sentence established that the first communication between HTTP server and client took place over Internet protocols. But, more importantly, this sentence speaks from a viewpoint that conflates the www and the Internet, thus only serving to further muddy the distinction between the two. I have held off on deleting it without discussion first, but it really ought to go. rowley (talk) 16:20, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I removed it. Nightscream (talk) 22:25, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism?[edit]

"He is an alumnus of Queen's College (where he played tiddly-winks for Oxford, against rivals Cambridge), Oxford University (which has dedicated a computer room in his honour)" -- Fact or vandalism? This is just goofy enough to be true. -- 201.78.233.162 22:54, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I am wondering about that too. At first, I thought maybe tiddlywinks means something different in UK English than it does in American English. If it doesn't, then I would say that this would make a very odd collegiate 'sport'. Wandering Star 00:29, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Tiddlywinks means the same in British English as it does in America. I agree, it does sound an implausible way to express inter-college rivalry; however, from Tiddlywinks: "The modern game of tiddlywinks was introduced in 1955 by Bill Steen and Rick Martin. These two Cambridge students wanted to play a game at which they could represent the university in a Varsity Match against Oxford." Not just confined to the UK either: see Harvard Tiddlywinks Society

It may well be true. I know that in 1975 there was an Oxford University Tiddlywinks Society because I nearly joined it. 86.53.56.64 13:00, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

It is entirely probable, I will ask him when I meet him next week. There is a strategy version of Tiddly Winks similar in concept to billiards or croquet. 66.31.39.76 18:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

It is in fact true, but noit very significant. I joined teh Oxford team just for just that one trip to Cambridge, as I wanted a method to get to Cambridge to visit my old friend Nichols Barton (now FRS). So my life was not one of tiddleywinks, I would clasify this as trivia, but it is not for me to edit my own page :) TimBL 17:23, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

An emacs user?[edit]

I'm trying to populate the Category:Emacs users. Tim seems like the type that is likely to be an Emacs user, and he uses it as an example when talking about text editors, but I can't find a clear "I use emacs" statement. If anyone can find such a statement, or if anyone knows that he is an Emacs user, please add the category tag to this article. Thanks. Gronky 23:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think I have ever seen Tim use emacs in the past ten years or so. He is much more of a NextStep/Mac type of person. --66.31.39.76 18:52, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Python user[edit]

In case someone wants to create Category:Python users:

Tim became a Python enthusiast when he tried to learn Python on a plane trip. He had already downloaded Python and its documentation on his laptop, and between takeoff and landing he was able to install Python and learn enough to do something with it, "all on one battery." found in http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5854 and in http://www.thinkware.se/cgi-bin/thinki.cgi/PythonQuotes —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.36.29.71 (talk) 14:43, 2 April 2007 (UTC).

Cailliau?[edit]

It seems that Mr. Berners-Lee has recieved the lion's share of the "priority" claim for www, but what of Mr. Cailliau? It appears from the Cailliau article that they each wrote a proposal in the same year, and a joint proposal was issued in the following year, yet the Berners-Lee article appears to offer only a glancing thought for Mr. Cailliau. I doubt that either of the principals would care, but it is hard to know what to make of the distribution of the attribution. Were a Nobel to be awarded -- purely hypothetical to frame the question -- would each receive it, or Mr. Berners-Lee only? Final thought: they shared the ACM prize for that year...it would be interesting to have their joint supervisor weigh in...

I agree, there is a serious bias here. I'm tagging NPOV. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 18:25, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Given another suggestion earlier that yet another party was involved, I think that a "factual accuracy is disputed" tag should supplement or replace the neutral one in the article. Comments? 85.92.173.186 15:15, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

The "supervisor" is the late Mike Sendall; it would be difficult to get a statement from him. What can be verified is that the first proposal for what became the Web has sole authorship from Tim and was submitted for consideration within CERN in March of 1989. The revised proposal, in which Robert may have had some participation but made no technical changes, was resubmitted in May 1990. Given that the description and assignment of credit regarding the history of the Web was authored by Robert originally [1], and brought to another server after CERN decommissioned the original info.cern.ch, I think there's probably some credence to the assertion that Tim was the inventor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.202.31 (talk) 23:44, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Millenium Prize Winner Infobox[edit]

Isn't this a bit much? Neither nobel laureates nor presidents nor prime ministers have such a box. Shouldn't this be moved to the bottom of the page, as with every other title that changes hands? -- Exitmoose 06:35, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

no longer at ECS southampton?[edit]

Hi I think TBL is no longer at Southampton University.

He is not listed on the ECS staff page, and this paper credits him at MIT

http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/13347/

If this is the case this page will need to be updated.

Ckeene 14:46, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree. It looks like he may have moved back to MIT. --Coolcaesar 05:51, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Do you folks check the basic places, like asking the person in question, or checking their home page? I have my main job at MIT and a part-time job at Southampton. I never moved to the UK, or moved back. I vist several times a year. TimBL 17:05, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Link from httpd to NCSA-httpd is confusing.[edit]

I think the link from httpd to NCSA-httpd is confusing. The httpd from Tim is (quite) different from NCSA-httpd and NCSA-httpd was not made by Tim.

Jringoot 12:17, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Avid Kickball Fan[edit]

Is it true that Berners-Lee thinks kickball is America's Most Beloved Sport? I keep seeing that. Please update his page to talk about his love of sports, especially kickball. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.32.81.40 (talk) 09:07, 31 March 2007 (UTC).

No, I am not a fan of any particular sport. Certainly not of Man United soccer (as reported on this page for a long time) or tiddleywinks (a single day's activity often blown out of proportion) And certainly not "kickball". TimBL (talk) 02:11, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Date of birth (DOB) - can't find any mention of it[edit]

Ummm so where/why isn't it included? Strawberry Island 16:24, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

See [1]. --Frodet 19:10, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
From which: "When in doubt about the notability of the person in question [...] err on the side of caution" who on Earth could have any doubt about the notability of TBL while at the same time using the web?!? Andy Mabbett 19:21, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

He also publishes it - 8 June 1955 - on his own web page. Andy Mabbett 19:23, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Minor point[edit]

The article mentions his "first wife Jane". That implies he has remarried, but there's no mention of it anywhere. Clarityfiend 03:33, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

The narrative doesn't specifically say 'his second wife' but it is implicit in the later sentence that says 'his wife Nancy' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.218.160 (talk) 21:17, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Weird Sentence[edit]

Does this make sense?

"becoming one of only 24 living members entitled to hold the award and use 'OM' after their name at any one time."

I think I would just take out the 'at any one time', but I could be missing something big here. It looks like it got edited without reading the whole sentence again.

Thanks.

The Order_of_Merit page states that there are only 24 people with the Order of Merit at any one time, (plus a limited number of honorary members.. so not limited to 24 really). I agree that the sentence does require better punctuation or editing. I would suggest removing " at any one time" alexx (talk) 14:58, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Royalties/Patents[edit]

When he worked at CERN second time around he was presumably an employee of the organisation. If his fellowship started in 1984 then it expired initially in 1986, and could perhaps have been extended (unusual, but not unheard of). What his employment status was after his fellowship is unclear. The terms of employment are very clear. Intellectual property created at CERN by its employees belongs to CERN, and the organisation is bound under the terms of the treaty to make it freely available to academics all over the world. There was no question of TBL (or even CERN) patenting or otherwise restricting free use of the web/http. But I keep seeing it used as evidence of TBL's holiness, which I'm sure he finds amusing and baffling. Max sang 16:55, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I joined CERN as a Fellow for 2 years. May have had it extended for a year, (I forget) but then became a staff member. So certainly, yes, CERN would have had some claim at least over any IPR -- I don't know how much. However I did ask them to put the technology into the Public Domain. (At first I thought of Copyleft of some kind, but several potential users objected). Robert Cailliau also put a lot of energy into chasing up the CERN directors and eventually on we got a signed and stamped document back announcing that CERN would not be charging royalties for the technology. I could possibly have pursued a deal with CERN and a spin-off company -- but I really don't think that the WWW would have taken off, as no one would have touched it, and many would have forked it into incompatible systems. See "Weaving the Web", 1999. TimBL (talk) 02:18, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

That document has unmeasurable significance for humanity. Have you thought about donating it to a museum or library? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 14:32, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Criticising Domain Extensions[edit]

This whole section is too big, and biased. It has been put in, I suspect, in order to form part of some past or future argument in some discussions over top level domain names. These discussions are of course loaded with huge commercial motivations and so WP should IMHO be very careful about letting stuff like this get in. If it isn't removed I'll have to try to add some balance, to reflect my views more accurately, but removal makes more sense. I'd prefer to leave it for someone else to do. The quotes sound like transcribed oral quotes .. if some one dug them out and they are real then why no pointers to the source? Maybe the whole lot was pasted from some document elsewhere. TimBL (talk) 02:26, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Gone. For now. Contravened so many Wikipedia content policies it was absurd. CIreland (talk) 08:57, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Article title[edit]

Per Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(names_and_titles)#British_peerage, I have moved the article back to "Tim Berners-Lee" from "Sir Tim Berners-Lee". There is no need for the "sir" in the article title, and it is contrary to Wikipedia style to include it there. Ground Zero | t 17:25, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Isn't his name "Tim Berners-Lee" with a hyphen? --MarsRover (talk) 05:30, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

The Telegraph's list of 100 greatest living geniuses[edit]

If you look at The Telegraph's list of top 100 living geniuses, you'll see that the methodology used to select the geniuses was to email 4,000 Britons asking them for their opinions.

The top of the article states that Britain has more geniuses than any other country: "proportionately more than any other country."

Basically what I'm getting at is that this article, Telegraph's Top 100 living geniuses, is a complete joke.

However, it remains in the top paragraph of the Tim Berners-Lee article, even though other, more important recognitions are listed in the "recognitions" section.

There is something wrong with this. I believe that the Telegraph is putting references to itself in the top paragraph of articles.

We should try to keep the tim berners-lee page as legitimate and serious as possible, not like some patch job of "cool links" that we found and keep putting back up because we are offended that someone has removed it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rothkowitz (talkcontribs) 00:37, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Don't forget Southampton!![edit]

Sir Timothy John "Tim" Berners-Lee, OM, KBE, FRS, FREng, FRSA (born 8 June 1955[1], also known as "TBL"), is a British engineer and computer scientist and MIT professor

TBL has a joint appointment at MIT in the US and the University of Southampton in the UK. Southampton is included further down in the Career section but missing in the introductory sentence above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.107.124.82 (talk) 15:37, 1 August 2010 (UTC)


Date of Birth Wrong?[edit]

I believe he is 56, not 55. Where was this DOB taken from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.151.246.250 (talk) 16:39, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Nomination for the Nobel Peace prize[edit]

I just happened to see that Tim Berners-Lee is nomitated this year (2006), for the Nobel Peace prize. And this makes me wonder why on earth someone thinks the Nobel commity will pick him. For sure he has made communication worldwide easier, but how well related is this to peace work?

And maybe this nomination should at least be mentioned here in the Tim Berners-Lee wiki. What do you think?

Absolutely true on what basis is he nominated the for the nobel peace prize? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.84.81.118 (talk) 10:37, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Tim Berners-Lee[edit]

I have read in the "Elements of Unitarianism" (one of the Element books series) that Tim Berners-Lee is a Unitarian; I have added this entry to the category "English Unitarians" accordingly. Many apologies, I slipped up a little, and his name also appears at the head of that category - sorry about that! ACEOREVIVED (talk) 20:09, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Tim Berners-Lee, Additional Points For Recognition Section[edit]

2001 Elected a Fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering (the UK's national academy of Engineering) 2001 Awarded the Sir Frank Whittle Medal by the Royal Academy of Engineering for the creation of the internet as an outstanding contribution to the well-being of the nation.

The source of the above additions may be found on the web site of the Royal Academy of Engineering at www.raeng.org.uk Dumasathos (talk) 11:18, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


Computer Lib / Dream Machines[edit]

Where is a ref to this book? — Xiong (talk) 03:13, 2005 Mar 24 (UTC)

Most distinguished person[edit]

Reading about Tim Berners-Lee, I noticed he has one of the most impressive list of honors I've ever seen. I tried to google the 'worlds most distinguihed person', but I could'nt find anything conclusive. But as a starting point, let's start with Tim Berners-Lee, and see if anyone could think of someone that tops him.

Invent the Internet[edit]

He says here that he didn't invent the internet?Smallman12q (talk) 15:06, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

jep, he invented the World Wide Web, the internet contains different parts: protocol(s), dns, markup lanugae and so on! mabdul 19:35, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Why the Padlock?[edit]

I don't see how Sir Tim would have any haters (that use the Internet, anyway) and since I didn't find a discussion post about the padlock, I thought I'd start the topic. Why the padlock? Why can't we open up this article? Was there an issue with excessive vandalism before? 64.134.164.23 (talk) 02:02, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Just checked last 500 page history edits going back to 3 Jan 2009, previous to the instigation of proction at 22:05, 5 October 2009 by Nightscream, there were 82 reverts, 61 of these were IP edits. Since then, a seach did not find one mention of the word "revert". None of that's official, just a quick reality check using a text editor, for anyone who's interested. If semiprotection continues to run, and more articles may be added, maybe that'd work, as I don't see that its been tried, I may be wrong. Trev M   20:39, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
And thats the reason why I'm against the flagged revision! semi protection is already enough ;) but that is another topic... mabdul 21:00, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
You realised I meant flagged rev., which I don't particularly like in its present incarnation either! Trev M   21:21, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Archive this?[edit]

Unless significant opposition, I'll set-up auto achiving here in a day or so, set to leave posts for about 6 months, and a minimum of 10 threads on page. There is a template to mark any that shouldn't be archived, if need be. Trev M   21:16, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

agreed! mabdul 10:46, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Done, should archive next time bot runs, and then next time it is possible to archive at least 5 posts sections older than 6 months, leaving 10 sections on the page. Trev M   13:02, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Sad that the Telegraph owns this page.[edit]

in the future, wikipedia is going to be one large advertisement for companies who will link every article with a page to their website via a "top 100" article.

Hey guys! Tim Berners-Lee's highest achievement was making the Telegraph top 100 genius list which was compiled by asking a bunch of people on the street!

this page could have been a spartan homage to a genius. but it's spam now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.254.102.48 (talk) 06:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Publications[edit]

Berners-Lee made really many scientific publication. Should we collect them (all) or which should be add to the article? How about this one?

  • Shadbolt, Nigel; Berners-Lee, Tim; Hall, Wendy (May/June 2006). "The Semantic Web Revisited" (PDF). IEEE Intelligent Systems. Retrieved 8 December 2010.  Check date values in: |date= (help)

mabdul 17:05, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Past Tense? is it over?[edit]

"Berners-Lee is the director of the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), which oversaw the Web's continued development."

One cannot oversaw[past tense] development that is still continued. It reads much like an anti-standards overtone from its original author. --Asmoore82 (talk) 20:24, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Clarity[edit]

I realize this individual didn't create the internet, however I believe most people are confused when they read that he created the WWW without the distinction that it is different than the internet. JVDnh3 (talk) 01:52, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Quote by Tim Berners-Lee[edit]

I think this should be incorporated.

“Making the Web was really simple because there was already this morass of things being developed on the Internet,” including protocols such as TCP/IP and other standards. “All I had to do on top of that to create the Web was to create a single global space, which some people said was rather arrogant…. HTTP was a new scheme for the Web… and the idea was that it would minimally constraining.”

http://www.eioba.com/a/x4/tim-berners-lee-weaving-a-semantic-web —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.118.101.238 (talk) 02:40, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Please check this article it is wrong in parts.[edit]

Found this source: http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/FAQ.html#browser — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.164.163.188 (talk) 02:58, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Sry, I was editing this page extensively and I have a big knowledge about the beginning of the web. What is exactly wrong on this page? The link you gave is about a FAQ (section First web browsers) - in this article there is nearly no information about web browsers. mabdul 07:31, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

tim bernes lee does not want annyone to know about his personal life thats understanding but i think he should let us ask him questions — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.213.217.58 (talk) 08:51, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

xkcd[edit]

The subject of this page has just been referenced by today's xkcd: http://xkcd.com/949/ Beware the forthcoming insane barrage of traffic and editing on this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.229.101.166 (talk) 04:05, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Photo[edit]

I do not think that the current main photo of the subject is appropriate. Not only is it so zoomed in that it cuts off parts of his face, his hand is also covering his lower face. Additionally, it is side-on. SaintDaveUK (talk) 22:37, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

That's fine. You're welcome to change it. The photo it replaced looked like a roadie hanging out at a carnival. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:02, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Need to use more precise and unambiguous language.[edit]

For example the start of the article states " inventor of the World Wide Web." while this term is technically correct, it can be misinterpreted that the mean he invented the what is colloquially called the "Internet" when in actually he introduced the standard and concepts of linking hypertext language and translation to the TCP/IP protocol which at the time the internet was switching over to. In general no one person or group could be pointed to as the "inventor" of the internet just as no one person can be credited with inventing art or science. All the technological and philosophical concepts have have gone into this endever have made it what it is, not the work of one person or concept. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.13.147.186 (talkcontribs) 00:00, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

That's why we say "inventor of the World Wide Web" not "inventor of the internet". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:10, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Role at CERN[edit]

The article currently says "While being an independent contractor at CERN from June to December 1980…". What was his role there? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:58, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Current work[edit]

Please change the last paragraph from:

"In a Times article in October 2009, Berners-Lee admitted that the forward slashes ("//") in a web address were actually "unnecessary". He told the newspaper that he could easily have designed URLs not to have the forward slashes."

to:

"In a Times article in October 2009, Berners-Lee admitted that the initial pair of slashes ("//") in a web address were actually "unnecessary." He told the newspaper that he could easily have designed URLs without the initial slashes."


Regarding the redundant use of the word "forward", the Wikipedia article on slash explains the history of this common mistake. Even the BBC has deprecated use of the term (see www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/futuremedia/desed/urls.shtml).

The proposed change also recognizes this fact: Mr Berners-Lee never implied that the path portion of a URL didn't need slashes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.41.140.2 (talk) 22:37, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Yes check.svg Done. Thank you for the correction. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:21, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks also to Bhny for taking care. -SusanLesch (talk)

2012 Olympic Opening Ceremony Appearance[edit]

The article seems to underplay Tim Berners-Lee's role in the Olympic opening ceremony, and doesn't mention that he appeared, centre stage, along with a NeXT Cube system (unclear if this is the actual original first-ever WWW server, which has previously been exhibited at CERN). Maybe someone could expand this section? 86.7.23.104 (talk) 07:57, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Might also be worth mentioning NBC's coverage which featured the presenters Matt Lauer, Bob Costas and Meredith Viera not having a clue who he was - one guilelessly suggesting "Google him!" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.30.80.127 (talk) 06:25, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Olympis reference update[edit]

In the last sentence of the first paragraph: He tweeted: "This is for everyone",[12] instantly spelled out in LCD lights held by 70,500 people in the audience.[13]

The LCD lights were not help by the audience, they were mounted between the audience members. If you want to update and reference an article about it, this article talks about the ceremonies and shows a picture of how the lights were set up.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2180017/Opening-Ceremony-London-2012-Spectators-handed-3D-glasses-LED-wands.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by NeonSlide (talkcontribs) 21:36, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Fixed by Just nigel (talk · contribs), thank you. You can use {{edit protected}} to get an editor's attention more quickly, though in a few days of editing you will be able to fix things yourself. - 2/0 (cont.) 12:23, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

NeXT[edit]

In the opening section, please add a hyperlink from the phrase "NeXT Computer" to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXT_Computer.

MarcMFresko (talk) 14:27, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Done. Favonian (talk) 17:05, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

December 25, 1990[edit]

(This is me TimBL, commenting in the first person on my page, which is quite reasonable AFAICS)

The first paragraph of this page currently is inaccurate. I don't know where this myth came from originally but it gets passed around from story to story, that HTTP first worked for the first time on Dec 25 1990. This currently reads "[...] on 25 December 1990, with the help of Robert Cailliau and a young student at the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN), he implemented the first successful communication between a Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP) client and server via the Internet.[4]"

  • I had been developing the code for the last few months, since mid september
  • I had it more or less working mid november
  • CERN was closed for several days over the Christmas/new year break
  • I made sure I had a version working I could give to people by the break.
  • I gave a version number to that of the software 901225 to be whimsical
  • I didn't work on the software over the break at all
  • The date the first HTTP transfer happened is lost, only I would know it and I don't.
  • Neither Robert Cailliau nor Nicola Pellow were involved in writing the

first browser/editor (WorldWideWeb.app) or the first server (httpd) at all, in any way. Nicola joined the project later, and worked on the Line Mode browser, and Robert didn't code anything except much later some Mac browser code ("Samba").

I know having a date one which something first happens makes a good story but you just have to let it go when there is no such date known.

I know Wikipedia has reasonable strong policies about people providing input to their own page, and I wouldn't dream of trying to edit mine directly. That said, you must also respect that it can be very difficult or impossible for someone to have to find secondary sources about their own life. When you are talking about something someone has done by themselves out of the glare of the press, then you have to give them a certain respect when it comes to what happened and what did not happen.

Read "Weaving the Web", my only book so far, which should go over this time in detail.

TimBL (talk) 18:19, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for this Tim. I knew that this was your Wikipedia username beforehand for whatever reason. I have deleted the offending sentence(s). If there are any other inaccuracies just let someone/me know. I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to have inaccurate information about oneself up on Wikipedia, and I understand completely your reluctance to edit the page yourself. Happy New Year. Farrtj (talk) 02:20, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Recognition[edit]

Sir Tim Berners-Lee was awarded a honorary doctorate at our university's graduation yesterday (University of the Arts London (19th July 2012)) - where he gave a spectacular speech. Please add this to the recognition section.

Invinted the WWW? never heard of him. I thought that Al Gore invented the internet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.139.67.17 (talk) 14:25, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 22 January 2013[edit]

Please make at least a reference to Robert Cailliau http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Cailliau who basically co-invented the net with him ... 139.191.147.133 (talk) 10:16, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please make your request in a "change X to Y" format. Vacation9 12:45, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
What is this 'net' that someone co-invented with someone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.122.44.47 (talk) 18:23, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Citation needed[edit]

'also known as "TimBL,"' needs a citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.122.44.47 (talk) 18:17, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Disambiguation request: Timothy B. Lee[edit]

I've been seeing Timothy B. Lee's (from Ars Technica) name popping up more frequently, and keep thinking "oh man, Tim Berners-Lee is doing what now!?", but I am always disappointed. I dunno if the non-knighted Tim B Lee needs his own wikipedia page, but maybe at least a nod in his direction? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ambiguator (talkcontribs) 20:21, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

School[edit]

The article states: ' ... went on to attend south west London's independent Emanuel School from 1969 to 1973'. At that time, Emanuel School, London was not independent and none of the pupils paid a penny in fees. (It was a voluntary aided school). There's a tendency among journalists to assume that a school has always been what it now. Norvo (talk) 23:29, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikilink to NeXT Computer is appropriate[edit]

In this article;

"... the world's first-ever web site and web server, running on a NeXT computer at CERN. The first web page address was...",

the words 'NeXT Computer' should have a wikilink: the NeXT Computer wikipedia article contains a picture of the NeXT Computer which Sir Tim used at CERN. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.53.57.210 (talk) 01:12, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Robert Cailliau[edit]

The first paragraph of this article suggests that Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web by himself; however, Robert Cailliau equally contributed to the development of the World WIde Web. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Combating Ignorance (talkcontribs) 09:06, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

English?[edit]

Without doubt if this fella had been born one inch into one of the other home nations he'd have their nationality splashed all over the place rather than 'British', which is there now. Not that it should be changed, I'm just saying. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.66.137 (talk) 17:36, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

The fact that he relinquished the rights to the World Wide Web is significant[edit]

Whereas he could have patented it or whatever and made around a bazillion pounds, he gave it to the world for free in order to advance mankind without hinderance I'm guessing. The article mentions 'This is for everyone', but this is important I think and should go in the main description. Here's a suggestion as to how it could be phrased concisely - "Sir Tim Berners Lee is a bloody god. Worship him you worthless termites." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zedell (talkcontribs) 21:32, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

DRM[edit]

His stance of DRM inclusion into W3C standard should be mentioned in the main article. 84.112.136.52 (talk) 18:52, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Agreed (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Sep/0129.html). One wonders why these facts are absent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.51.156.190 (talk) 19:38, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

I agree as well, this is an important issue which is evolving quickly, especially since the MPAA has been announced to be part of the W3C and it appears Berners-Lee stance on DRM is in line with the MPAA's stance.

Analysis of Tim Berners-Lee's statements regarding DRM http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/10/tim-berners-lee-on-why-html5-needs-drm/index.htm

Response by Tim Berners-Lee to the barrage of questions and concerns from users http://www.w3.org/blog/2013/10/on-encrypted-video-and-the-open-web/

MPAA Announcement http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140107/11263425789/not-cool-mpaa-joins-w3c.shtml — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emodulor (talkcontribs) 22:07, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Inconsistency[edit]

From Wikipedia's article on Alexander Fleming: "Sir Alexander Fleming, FRSE, FRS, FRCS(Eng) (6 August 1881 – 11 March 1955) was a Scottish biologist..." "Nationality Scottish".

From Wikipedia's article on Anthony Hopkins: "Sir Philip Anthony Hopkins, CBE (born 31 December 1937) is a Welsh actor of film, stage, and television, and a composer."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.12.212.156 (talk) 00:35, 22 January 2014 (UTC) 

Name pronunciation[edit]

How about a pronunciation for his name, especially "Berners"? Is the French or the anglicized pronunciation preferred? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.225.17.141 (talk) 18:09, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Honor[edit]

Tim Berners-Lee was recently awarded an honorary Doctor of Engineering and Technology from Yale University on May 19, 2014. Can someone with permission please add this to his Wikipedia page? http://news.yale.edu/2014/05/19/yale-awards-12-honorary-degrees-2014-graduation — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:C410:C500:AD71:9FCC:E291:4A59 (talk) 01:43, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Current work[edit]

How current is it? Another headline would be better. 78.35.217.225 (talk) 19:33, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2014[edit]

Please change British born into English born as he was born in London, England. Fleabite101 (talk) 20:48, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Born in London, England = born in London, Great Britain = British born = English born... — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 22:13, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Changing nationality English is fine with me. It is a common in biographies, and it is more precise than British. Bhny (talk) 23:01, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Edit request[edit]

Please change religion to "Unitarian Universalist" (currently: "Unitarian"). Unitarian Universalism is very different from classical Uniterianism, which is currently linked to. Source: http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/UU.html

Yes check.svg Done{{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 13:21, 4 July 2014 (UTC)