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Welcome[edit]

Needs a serious workover. Lacks any sort of hard facts, and the rich history doesn't find any mention. By the way, this is just a rant while hoping that someone will actually do some of the hard work. [[User:AmarChandra|Amar | Talk]] 16:14, Jul 9, 2004 (UTC)

Age of Rock Fort[edit]

The article stated that as one of the oldest rocks on earth, Rock Fort is 3,800 years old. This is certainly wrong. The oldest rocks on earth are 4,000 million years old according to Press, Siever, Grotzinger and Jordan Understanding Earth. So I changed it to 3,800 million years.

--Kune 17:54, 2005 May 28 (UTC)

Do we actually have any source confirming that some of the oldest rocks in the world are found on the outcrop that Rock Fort is built on? Adityan 01:15, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

ICOTW[edit]

Please support!

Allagappan.gnu 06:41, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)

wrong information[edit]

the name tiruchirappalli is not from the jain monk. it is absolutely a wrong information. please remove the wrong data and put the correct one after a discussion with concerned people in trichy. thanks and regards, Manikandan maniskandan@gmail.com Trichy

29 June 2006: This is Thirumalai or srirangam_malai: I also agree to the point that Trichy has nothing to do with a Jain monk. I have updated with the real reason as "Thiru ShriRanganathan Palli", which I have heard from many elders. If somebody else can prove that the Jain Monk theory is wrong, we should delete it. thirumalai at gmail dot com

19 Oct 2006: This is Thirumalai or srirangam_malai: Back once again. It seems that somebody has deleted the real reason behind the name of the City, which is more convincing and real than the Jain monk one. By the way, in that Jain monk theory, what does "palli" means? The place where the jain monk slept? :-)

21 April 2007 : There are no known records of any Jain habitations or presence in Trichirapalli and no known records of any person by the name ' Chira '. ' Woriyur' which forms a part of the city was under the Chola influence since 300 BC . While the origins of the name are certainly debatable, linkage with a Jain monk ' Chira' seems to be the least probable. Origins may be from ' Sila ' - meaning stone / hill ( referring to the Rock ) and ' palli ' - meaning - to sleep are more plausible.

Further, the terrain has a few large rocks - the Rock on which the 'Thayumaanavar temple and Ucchipilayar ' temple is located is one. The other significant ones are the ' Golden Rock ' and the Malaikoil rock ( on which the Thiruerumbeeswarar temple' are located. Regards Murugavel

As a resident of trichy, I do know that the name has no relation to any Jain Monk. The below is the legitimate link showing the real name meaning http://www.templenet.com/Tamilnadu/s132.html

the reason is as follows

Legend has it that Shiva was worshipped by the demon ruler Tirisiran, hence Tiruchirappalli, Tirisirapuram etc. Also, since the three peaks here on this hill are occupied by Shiva, Parvati and Vinayaka, the name Tri-Shikharam or Tirisirapuram came into being. Legend has it that Shiva in the guise of a woman (mother) attended to the call of a devotee in labor, hence Matrubhuteswarar.

I am new to wikipedia...and I am not able to modify it...someone please do it...Thanks regs subbu —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.218.56 (talk) 11:05, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

wrong information?[edit]

The area number seems wrong - 4000 km2 would make it four times as large as Chennai.

Culture and Society[edit]

A (recent) contribution states that Tiruchirappalli has sanitation coverage of 70 percent. The report cited, however, lists an index, 59.02. The ranking - first in Tamil Nadu and sixth in India is correct according to the same report from the "National Urban Sanitation Policy." It is unclear whether 59.02 is a percentile or an index. I am hoping the contributor can clarify. -- Betasam - Talk 10:30, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Area?[edit]

I think the given area is that of Trichy district's, and not the city's.

3rd largest?[edit]

Trichy is the 4th largest city of the state. The first four being Chennai, Coimbatore and Madurai.

Coordinates[edit]

The currect coordinates for Tiruchi is 10.80511,78.547 Please do not confuse —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.91.136.50 (talk) 16:43, 18 January 2007 (UTC).

Wrong hyperlink given under "Notable people from Tiruchirapalli" section[edit]

Under the "Notable people from Tiruchirapalli" section in this article, the link to "M. K. Tyagaraja Bhagavadar, the Tamil film industry's first super star " points to "Tyagaraja" - the carnatic music saint, which is wrong. The link should rather point to M.K. Tyagaraj Bhagavathar. kathya 21:43, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Tnlogo.png[edit]

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Lists[edit]

Wikipedia has an editorial policy against lists. Someone -- I will do it eventually if no one else does -- needs to create separate articles for the several long lists remaining in this one, provide a link, and eliminate those lists here. The article is supposed to read as a single, succinct, self-sufficient description or explanation, and long lists interrupt its flow. --Kessler (talk) 08:54, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Earlier, I had moved the educational institutions to another page, only noting the notable ones here. Today, I have removed the list of hospitals and organizations, as there is no clear notable ones amongst them. If anyone wants to add those things, please add in a separate page, we can always add a link to that page from this page. This page is getting into better shape, so we cannot afford to have such lists here itself.--GDibyendu (talk) 08:34, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Noted People[edit]

Need to clarify whether the personality in the notable people list is "Jayam"Ravi or "Nizhalgal"Ravi--Sureshmaran (talk) 05:13, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Name?[edit]

The article is now at Tiruchirapalli with one p, but the first line gives the name as Tiruchirappalli, which is apparently more correct. Any reason not to move this? Jpatokal (talk) 14:43, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Support for the move. Tiruchirappalli is more common spelling. So, please move the article boldly to Tiruchirappalli. Salih (talk) 17:05, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Support for GA[edit]

As you all know the page is been nominated for GA. I'd request you all to improve the article by contributing something and add more citations.Vensatry (talk) 12:21, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

distancebetween.in appears to be an extremely unreliable source as anyone can add distances. See here.-The EnforcerOffice of the secret service 02:13, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes it seems to be an unreliable source so pls revert it back. Vensatry (talk) 03:36, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Distances from trichy[edit]

The distances from Trichy to various places mentioned aren't correct. Distance between Trichy and Chennai is 316 km and not 325 km. 325 km the distance via bye pass road. i.e., you have to go to to the southern part of the city and go eastwards and again take north. I myself, a tiruchian have seen the distance plates in many places. Also the distance between Trichy and Madurai is 128 km and not 160 km. That distance seems like raechung Madurai via Dindigul. Its not a direct route between Trichy and Madurai. NH 45B takes you to Madurai from Trichy with a distance of 128 km from the heart of Trichy.--Thalapathi 15:31, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Maybe! But the best Wikipedia articles are ones which go by what "reliable published sources" say. Yeah, I completely agree with the fact that even published sources sometime differ with one another on distance-related stats. But, well, we might look at it later and might arrive at a consensus on what must be done about it. At present, I feel that we will look into issues which can be easily sorted than toil about with such complex issues.-The EnforcerOffice of the secret service 16:16, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Transport[edit]

I observe that there has been a few unexeplained changes made to the content I had introduced in October 2010. According to the the latest version, the distance between the central bus station and the Chathram bus stand is given as 6 kilometre. However, the book provided as source only says that the two bus stations are situated close to each other. My last significant edit to the section as of October 3, 2010 also mentions the same. I also found a few other unexplained unsourced additions. So I am reverting the section to the older clean version.-The EnforcerOffice of the secret service 08:09, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Template[edit]

I've deleted the template for neighbourhoods and suburbs. Also I've created a seperaate template for Temples around Trichy, keeping the fact in my mind that Trichy has got a lot of temples and not to clutter the template tiruchirrappalli. can we have a seperate template for temples or the existing one in tiruchirappalli is ok. What say? --Thalapathi (Ping Back) 04:52, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

It is better that you understand why and for what purpose templates are used.-The EnforcerOffice of the secret service 22:41, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
By the way, after your "Neighbourhoods and suburbs" template got deleted, I think you will have the common sense not to create such spurious templates :-)-The EnforcerOffice of the secret service 22:45, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Its too late to comment on this section. I created a sepertate template since the original template was cluttered. I am the one who nominated it for deletion immediately after consulting you. I guess you know what is the meaning of common sense. Your claim, doesn't make a sense. Don't think you're too smart. --Thalapathi (Ping Back) 03:31, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
I'd rather suggest that you would read once again what I've said. I had only advised you to use your common sense while editing the article. I was not "questioning your common sense" at all. And such comments have been made only with regard to your edits and don't constitute a personal attack.-The EnforcerOffice of the secret service 03:42, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Literacy rate[edit]

The article stated the literacy rate of the city to be 79 percent. But the source (published by Directorate of Census Operations - Tamil Nadu) itself mentions it as 88.71 percent. Looks like the one who added the lit. rate has calculated considering the whole population. In India literacy rate accounts only for persons aged above six, so children below six years won't be considered irrespective of literacy. The city has 77,048 (11.41 percent of the population) persons aged below six years. Hope it's clear and I'm changing it to 88.71 as mentioned in the site. --Thalapathi (Ping Back) 05:01, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Transport[edit]

yes you can check TRZ schedule here In addition to that we have a weekly once flight between TRZ-BOM that's on Tuesday tojo667 —Preceding undated comment added 12:59, 7 October 2011 (UTC).

The source that you have mentioned looks like a tourist website, which is not considered as a reliable one. We can make changes, if you quote the claim using some reliable sources. --Commander (Ping Me) 03:36, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

A good image[edit]

Trichy big street.jpg

This image came in for the Tamil Wiki Media Contest. Looks like a good addition to this article. I will let you regulars decide :-)--Sodabottle (talk) 09:55, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Rockfort View of Trichy.jpg

And one more aerial view.--Sodabottle (talk) 15:33, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Constituents of the UA[edit]

User:Vensatry had added details for Trichy police district instead of Trichy city police district. I've replaced the same in the article. By the way, the urban agglomeration is not an administrative unit. I don't think details about the agglomeration should be added in administrative and politics section. The details about the UA is of little encyclopedic significance anyway. Other than demarcating what exactly trichy city is and for calculating the population, the stuff is of little value. We might probably move it to Geography of Tiruchirappalli article.-RaviMy Tea Kadai 15:39, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

The article read, "The district is divided into five sub-divisions with a total of 18 police stations" before my revision which is totally wrong and that is why I changed it to 34. I feel there is nothing wrong in including details about urban agglomerations as we don't have a separate article for Trichy UA. However, I agree that it's irrelevant to add that in the "Administration and politics" section. Commander (Ping me) 16:08, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
No, I am not complaining :-). I had added the link to Trichy city police district long time back and the details for the same. I don't understand how come it was replaced by the URL for the Trichy police district. Someone had sneaked in the middle and modified the stuff perhaps. We must better watch out what these anon IPs and newbies actually do.-RaviMy Tea Kadai 16:13, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
Adding a list on the constituents of the UA would be a deviation from the subject. Also, it would set a bad precedent. Lists of UAs for some of the metros end up being too long. A list of town panchayats and municipalities which come under Chennai UA alone would consume 5 or 6 lines-RaviMy Tea Kadai 02:51, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Agree, but Trichy has fewer suburbs compared to other cities like Chennai. We don't have a separate authority like CMDA or an article for Trichy. So mentioning suburbs shouldn't be a problem. Commander (Ping me) 04:26, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Irrelevant photo[edit]

Jallikattu

This photo that depicts the Alanganallur Jallikattu seems to be irrelevant to the article. There shall be a photo of artistic sculptures, may be from Srirangam temple, be placed in this section instead. --Essaar (talk) 08:50, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Srirangam temple is already depicted in the infobox - including photos of the same temple all over the article might lead to stereotyping and neglect of other cultural and artistic elements of the city. I had chosen to add image of a Jallikattu because it has been mentioned as a sport that is considerably practised in the city. The other image I added was of a Muslim monument in the city - the Nadirshah mosque. But there were problems as the uploader had misrepresented the copyright status. I insist that a picture of Jallikattu remain - the caption is, of course, just Jallikattu and not Tiruchirappalli Jallikattu or anything of that kind. You are, however, welcome to take a photograph of a jalikattu tournament in the neighbourhood of trichy and add the same or upload any public domain image. But the choice of image has been done after a great deal of thinking and I justify my decision to include the same.-RaviMy Tea Kadai 07:17, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Comment[edit]

Though I am not much through in PR but would like to point some areas which can be more improved, hope those are helpful.

Lead

  • Some of the listed companies/institutions are not mentioned/discussed in the article below.
    • Pardon me, but I could locate all of them inside the article. Can you please point out if any? Vensatry (Ping me) 07:58, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Etymology

  • The name Tiruchirappalli is popularly believed to derive from the Sanskrit "Trishirapuram". It would be helpful if we give the scholars names who believe the name is from sanskrit. As we did in the following paragraph by mentioning "Other derivations of Tiruchirappalli have been provided by the Telugu scholar C. P. Brown."
    • It's not a fact unlike the latter statement. It's only a belief and I don't think there exists any scholar who verified the same. Vensatry (Ping me) 17:38, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

History

  • Need consistency while we mention period. Eg: In some places we say " 6th century AD" and in other "eighth century AD" etc. need to finalze consistant method.
  • We shall mention "Malik Kafur a General of Sultan Alauddin Khilji of the Delhi Sultanate". or some thing similar.
    • Not really sure about what you say. Vensatry (Ping me) 17:38, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
  • apology for confusing :) any way i see, you fixed it in this edit and that is what i meant.
  • There is confusion in 3rd paragraph of History; It says- "Chanda Sahib ruled the kingdom from 1736 to 1741 when he was captured and imprisoned by the Marathas" while in following sentences it says; "When the Nawab of the Carnatic, Muhammed Ali Khan Wallajah was dethroned by Chanda Sahib in 1751." are these all same "Chanda Sahib". If yes? TheN when he was released from imprisonment?
    • Can you be more specific about what's confusing you? Vensatry (Ping me) 17:46, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
Apology once again for confusing you; I tried to elaborate it below.
  • (A) "Chanda saheb ruled from 1736 to 1741, when he was captured and imprisoned by the Marathas". It means his rule ended in 1741). Captured by which Maratha ruler ?
  • (B) "Tiruchirappalli was administered by the Maratha general Murari Rao from 1741 to 1743 when it was annexed to the Carnatic kingdom". ( my question; Maratha general Murari Rao was general of which ruler ? annexed to Which ruler of Carnatic kingdom ?
  • (C) "The subsequent siege of Tiruchirappalli by Chanda Sahib took place during the Second Carnatic War between the British East India Company and Muhammed Ali Khan Wallajah on one side and Chanda Sahib and the French East India Company on the other". ( The main confusion is here; Chanda saheb was captured and imprisoned by the Marathas and his rule ended in 1741 (see (A) above), Then how come he took part in siege of Tiruchirappalli in 1749 and Second Carnatic War (1751–1754) ? with whose support he was released from maratha army? We need to specify this confusion because that is important and crucial period of the region.) Hope i cleared the confusion. --Omer123hussain (talk) 22:32, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Art, society and culture

  • "The Nawab's palace". Which Nawab palace?

Others

  • Need to mention how far it is from Chennai- the state capital, and Banglore (if it is nearest major city) in the lead.

Citation


Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 15:53, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the comments so far. Will fix the rest soon. Vensatry (Ping me) 17:38, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Comments from Jim[edit]

I can't really comment on the content, although it looks pretty good to me. You need to check the grammar and style line by line. I fixed a couple of minor points, and a few more follow, but I don't guarantee to have picked up everything.

  • fourth largest urban agglomeration in the state and one of the million plus urban agglomeration in the country.— try to avoid repeat of agglomeration, second should be plural anyway
  • para 2. Nearly every sentence starts The city..."
  • Madurai Nayak kingdom began to assert their independence—its
  • It was during the reign of Vishwanatha Nayak the city flourished, who is said—subject of "who" is "city" as written
  • His successor Kumara Krishnappa Nayaka made Tiruchirappalli their capital;[ —his
  • 846,915 with 1025 females for every 1000 males—inconsistent comma separators
  • multiple refs should be in numerical order (38/37/39)
  • High Pressure Boiler—why caps?
  • 400 tonnes—conversion needed
  • perhaps link the rupee symbol at first occurrence, it's not widely recognised outside India?
  • Jaques ref has no publisher and a surplus isbn
  • Ranking ref has no publisher
  • I don't see the point of repeating the url in External links

Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:54, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

@Vensatry:Can you subdivide the Culture section further to include sections on Arts and Crafts and Music? Pl have a second look at some of the imgs.--Nvvchar. 14:35, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

@Nvvchar:I cannot find anything more on arts and crafts in addition to the existing content. Anyhow, I've added stuff about literature and music. Since there is not much to talk about each of them, I'm merging them. Vensatry (Ping me) 13:46, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Comments[edit]

Starting for Hisotry section,

Contemporary and modern history

  • Tiruchirappalli played a prominent role during the pre–independence era ?
Firstly, I feel its not reasonable to say Tiruchirappalli played a prominent role. Rather it can be written as; During pre-independence Tiruchirappalli was an epicenter of Salt march (1930), and actively participated in "South Indian Railway Strike" (1928) and "Quit India Movement" (1942). OR someting similar.
Rephrased but not exactly as you suggested Vensatry (Ping me) 12:14, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Geography and climate

  • From first 3 lines of first paragraph, avoid multiple use of "almost". It looks non-encyclopedia or like if editor is not-sure about the information.
  • In the same section at the end of the second paragraph; "Densely–populated industrial and residential areas have recently emerged in the northern part of the city,[60] while the southern edge of the city too is occupied with residential areas.[60] The older part of Tiruchirappalli, situated within the Rockfort, is unplanned and congested while the adjoining newer sections are better executed.[79]" ( The highlighted text looks un-encyclopediac)
Above sentence can be written as some thing similar to this; "The northern part of the city houses the newly developed industries and residential appartments. Where as the southern part of the city is mostly occupied by the residential areas. The centeral area of the city houses the fortified Rockfort—the area had developed into residential and trading centre—it is congested most of the time due to unplanned constructions".[60][79]
That would be wrong as Rockfort is not centrally located in the city. Vensatry (Ping me) 12:14, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
  • "Tiruchirappalli is hot....", shall be written something like- The climate of Tiruchirappalli is hot and dry...
  • The first sentence of third parpagraph says; "The city is hot and dry for eight months...", where as it continues to say; "moderate climate from August to October, tempered by heavy rain..." and "cool and balmy climate from November to February..."
If the city is hot and dry for eight months, then how come it have "moderate climate from August to October" and ""cool and balmy climate from November to February" Need to correct this part.
I've completely re-written the section. Does it look okay? Vensatry (Ping me) 12:14, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

And more to be followed soon..... Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 12:40, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

  • Why do we need to keep the Rockfort italicized every where in the article ? --Omer123hussain (talk) 18:47, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
    • Rockfort is italicised to lay emphasis on it. Vensatry (Ping me) 12:14, 15 October 2013 (UTC)