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Titans and gods[edit]

Hey, are the titans considered to be gods? What is the difference between a god and a titan???

Titans were indeed gods. Please sign yourself. ICE77 (talk) 02:08, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Comments[edit]

Why does the introduction mention 14 titans? 140.247.28.111 03:50, 7 June 2006 (UTC) The fourteen Titans include the 12 children and their two parents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.247.190.250 (talk) 14:37, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Good point. They are twelve from their earliest mention (Hesiod). Cronos is not Chronos (Time). There are other misconceptions. --Wetman 16:58, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Could the Titans be considered to be cultural cousins of the Giants of Teutonic mythology? Crusadeonilliteracy

Absolutely. The two mythologies are closely related and should go back to an earlier Indo-European mythology. I removed the claim that Giants and Titans are distinct in origin. How on earth is that possible to know? Wiglaf

I rephrased your version and the originals. It was comparing them to the Gigantes, but using a vague word -- Titans and Gigantes are very distinct. Tuf-Kat 09:39, Feb 22, 2004 (UTC)

I agree on your changes. The term "giant" is a bit too vague in this domain. In Norse mythology Jotuns (giants) correspond both to Titans and Gigantes, but the similarities between the two mythologies are too interesting to be left out. I think it is fine now.Wiglaf

Metis is not one of the original 12 titans[edit]

Metis is mentioned in the sidepanel as one of the 12 titans. But the text by Hesiodos (and my danish mythologies and encyclopedias) dont mention her.

"afterwards she lay with Heaven and bore deep-swirling Oceanus, Coeus and Crius and Hyperion and Iapetus, Theia and Rhea, Themis and Mnemosyne and gold-crowned Phoebe and lovely Tethys. After them was born Cronos the wily, youngest and most terrible of her children, and he hated his lusty sire."

It is Cronos who is the no. 12 titan! Not Metis.

From denmark --217.116.235.34 16:42, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

War between elder and younger gods[edit]

An anonymous vandal, User:198.93.113.49, is apparently unwilling to see mentioned in this context of similar "Wars in Heaven" the battle between El and Baal, mentioned in the Ugarit libraries, and the later characterization of Yahweh and Lucifer. Is there an issue here I'm unaware of? Some kind of contention? Does anyone doubt that this is a theme running through multiple mythologies? Should this section be expanded to make it clearer? --Wetman 20:28, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Brief references to Titanomachy[edit]

An article on Titans that doesn't briefly discuss the battle of the Titans with the Olympic gods, the Titanomachy, is clearly incomplete. A single linked reference, lost in a sea of blue links, is insufficient. Thinking of what the Wikipedia reader requires will often save editors from such gaffes. It seems proposterous to have these two brief paragraphs deleted, and to have to explain why they are required here. --Wetman 18:20, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Last sentence of Titanomachy[edit]

What does that sentence even mean? "Some of them had not fought the Olympians and became key players in the new administration: Mnemosyne as a Muse, Rhea, Hyperion, Themis, or the "right ordering" of things and Metis. Is it just me, or is that gibberish?75.82.153.250 20:34, 20 February 2007 (UTC)Anonymous, 2/20/07

In the Article it references the "Christian Mythology" That would mean that no one believes in it and it is a myth. Christianity is a major world religion having over 2 billion members. It is properly classified as a theology, or theocracy. It is as much a myth as a belief in evolution. [Preator1]

Vandalism[edit]

this isn't even an article anymore. It's been totally destroyed by that stuff at the top—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.177.220.1 (talk) 23:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC).

The link to Menoetius in the sidebar leads to a disambiguation page. I want to change the link so that it leads to the actual article on that Titan, but I don't know how. T@nn 15:38, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

titanides[edit]

I think there is a misstatement in the intro: "Titanides" would refer to the offspring of the titans. The same way that Agamemnon and Menelaos are referred to as "atreides": Sons of Atreas. Can someone confirm that the nomenclature was different for the titans? Otherwise I am going to delete that line. Lorangriel 14:05, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Titans and Nephilim[edit]

Famed Jewish Historian Flavius Josephus considered the Greek Titans and Giants as equivalent to the Hebrew Nephilim and Rephaim.--71.222.54.25 06:02, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

a suggestion[edit]

i am recently trying to understand more of the greek mythology and it would be helpful to mention every name in both greek and roman versions.

an answer[edit]

http://www.geocities.com/athens/troy/2774/mythgods.html has that list Aphrodite=Venus Ares=Mars Artemis=Diana Athena=Minerva Demeter=Ceres Dionysus=Bacchus Erinyes=Furiae(Furies) Kharites=Charities or Graces Hades=Pluto Hephaestos=Vulcan Hera=Juno Herakles=Hercules Hermes=Mercury Hestia=Vesta Kronos=Saturn Ouranos=Uranus Pan=Faunus Persephone=Proserpina Poseidon=Neptune Zeus=Jupiter —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.178.56 (talk) 21:33, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

difference between titan and a god[edit]

I have read through this article and many other websites but I cant find the difference between a titan and a god except titans were large and strong. Could somebody please help me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Funymoose (talkcontribs) 02:04, 5 October 2007 (UTC) why arnt the elder titans mentiomd the sibling of gia such as tarturus or nynx

The Titans had been worshiped as gods before the arrival of the Olympian pantheon. The "difference between a titan and a god" from the point-of-view of sixth-century and later Greeks was that sacrifices were made to the gods, but the Titans had become vague ancient creatures of myth, who existed mostly for the gods to overcome. --Wetman (talk) 22:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Missing Links[edit]

All the refferences and external links went missing. I tried to pasted them from earlier version, but my knowledge of wiki was not good enough to accomplish this...72.29.240.25 (talk) 14:48, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

It's been restored. I removed some vandalism but hadn't noticed that the refs and external links had been deleted as well. Cheers. freshacconcispeaktome 14:54, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

WHERE'S IT GONE![edit]

Where has it all gone! I was researching and stumbled across this page, and there's nothing here! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brocky9 (talkcontribs) 17:46, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Removal of External Link[edit]

I had re-added an external link "The Titians: An Astro-Mythological Tale of Creation and Mortality" that was removed last night without explanation. I would like to know why it was removed, and on what grounds? If there is some wiki violation that has been committed what is it and what are the criteria that is needed to include it. Thank you.--74.229.102.208 (talk) 14:26, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

The link, to www.amengansie.com/titans.html Astro-Mythological [sic Tale of Creation and Mortality] bears no perceivable relation to the subject of this article. Wikipedia is a readers' service, not a hobby-horse for passers-by who don't bother to log in. Removed again. Please explain your insertion of this web link.--Wetman (talk) 15:45, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

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Very well.

I will not even attempt to argue or allow this topic to degenerate into another arrogant, hegemonic attempt at maintaining the increasingly fragile myth of Greek predominance in the ancient world. It is understandable, but unrealistic to believe that this version of history can continue to withstand historical scrutiny and re-interpretation based on omitted historical evidence concerning what is actually a more ancient origin of the Titans that pre-dates Greek arrival.

Nearly all of what the West has classified as Greek Mythology is categorized as such because for them, that is what it was. When the Dorian Greeks invaded the Ionian Islands in the 6th century, there was already a thriving, sophisticated Ionian civilization, composed of cities, villages, libraries,theatre, universities, mystery schools, etc. The Greeks, who were largely ignorant of this culture, language and religions, destroyed nearly all of it before they were eventually subsumed into the culture long enough to finally learn from them.

Unfortunately, the Greeks never fully understood the theological and exisential religions, and social customs very well. As they learned from the Ionians, they could only classify this oral history and culture as mythology. For the Ionians, and for the rest of the ancient world, this was not mythology. From their view, it was literally their experiential history in which their experiences in being civilized by their gods and ancestors taught and revealed moral truths to them. For the Ionians, the stories of Meda, Pelops, Atreus, Agamennon, Clytaemnestra, Heracules, Orestes, Thespius, Augeias and a host of other “Greek” protagonists' were not Greek at all. They were stories based on their own Gods, ancestors and religious figures whose history and culture has now been claimed by the Greeks and hailed as the cornerstone of Western Civilization.

To maintain this myth, Western revisionists have nearly written these people and their culture out of their own history, and any attempt to either re-introduce or to re-institute their history is met with your kind of cold, arrogant and hostile resistance. However, I am neither intimidated nor disuaded by this perdictable reaction.

Today, in the face of powerful technologies, information is much more accessible, according the opportunity to present history much more objectively with the goal of not maintaining a particular cultural-supremist point of view, but for the mere sake of historical accuracy and truth.

In viewing nearly all of the information on “Greek” culture on Wiki,“artist renditions” and euro-erotic sculptures are still being prompted in lieu of crediable archeology, to support a legitmate claim of Greek origin--none of them dating no earlier than 600 B.C. Further, many of these images are merely based on spectualtive fantasy-- few of the artists having ever lived during the time period in question. Shockingly, in this day and age, these historical and academic injustices are still being done by a new generation, who should know better- especially in the face of undeniable, historical, legitimate archeological evidence that proves their claims to the contrary.

A case in point, when viewing the images utilized on the Wiki version of the goddess Artemis, her actual archeological images are completely omitted, being subverted by a series of unconvincing and misleading “artist renderings” that have neither a resemblance nor basis in historical reality. Artemis' worship pre-dates the arrival of the Greeks by thousands of years. This speaks volumes to the point being made by me and others.

Again, I will not argue with you. I am making this rebuttal merely for the record. I know in time, this disingenuous historical travesty will indict and reveal. What I have contributed in my own article will be just as competitive in the search engines as is the Wiki version. That is the power and egalitarian spirit of the internet. Those that are seeking a more comprehensive, as opposed to a state culturally-supremists supported explanation of history, will find my information a godsend.

Peace to you. Anagossii--74.229.102.208 (talk) 15:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Standardization of names of Cronus[edit]

Is there an accepted standard for the spelling of the youngest Titan? This article lists him as both "Kronos" and "Cronus" (and once as "Saturn"). I suspect "Cronus" is preferred, since that's the title of the main article, but either way it would be nice to decide on one. Vogelfrei (talk) 16:31, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Alexander[edit]

What is this?

Quote: "There was also a great titan named Alexander who was king of all."

Is there any refernece to him whatsoever? 220.244.143.54 (talk) 13:39, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Theseus[edit]

gender:Masculine —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amccaffrr (talkcontribs) 21:57, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

12 vs 13 Titans[edit]

The opening text says there are 12 titans. 13 are listed in the opening paragraph, while the sidebar has 12 of them. Atlas is the extra one not in the sidebar but in the opening paragraph. I don't know enough about the subject to say whether he was or was not one of the original 12. Should this be edited? Dexeron (talk) 13:52, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

The confusion seems to be between the "Twelve Titans", the sons and daughters of Gaia and Uranus, and their children, of whom Atlas is one. The Titans' children seem to be also considered Titans, going by their articles. See what you think of forthcoming edit. —chaos5023 (talk) 16:55, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Atlas is a son of Iapetus not Gaia and Uranus therefore Atlas is not one of the original titans 184.101.38.32 (talk) 02:25, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

citation needed[edit]

What I want to see here especially is at least one Jewish source that describes a battle involving Lucifer. My Tannakh, Talmud and Midrash studies haven't turned one up so far. 4.249.63.217 (talk) 18:36, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. What with its utter absence from actual primary sources, Lucifer's rebellion is pretty much the canonical example of what the Christian mythology article is talking about. I dropped the editor a note. —chaos5023 (talk) 18:57, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Re-added Titanomachy section[edit]

Whoever removed it did a really clumsy job. The article essentially opened with the phrase "Hesiod does not, however, have the last word on the Titans," which is problematic because it is the first reference to Hesiod in the article. Someone appears to have just excised it without bothering to look at the results. If you re-remove it, please make sure to edit the next section so that the article remains coherent. Zoweee (talk) 06:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Strange section[edit]

In the Ciris cave section I read "4 Crassus first". Should that 4 be there? Something doesn't look right. Is that LI meant to be 51AD?

ICE77 (talk) 02:10, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Size[edit]

I'm uncomfortable with the following assertion in the In Popular Culture section:

Out of conflation with the Gigantes, various large things have been named after the Titans, for their "titanic" size, for example the RMS Titanic

Given that there were 3 ships built, the Titanic, the Gigantic and the Olympic, it's just not feasible that there was conflation here. And the Titanic article never mentions it. It's true (though not easily sourced from a wiki point of view) that people now mis-understand the meaning of the name RMS Titanic, but there's no evidence I've seen that the people who named it then got it wrong. Kayman1uk (talk) 09:34, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

titans in popular culture[edit]

I edited the sentence regarding moons of Saturn. I wanted to make it clear that many (though not all) of Saturn's moons were named after Titans, not just it's largest moon, Titan. If anything, the article implied Titan was the only such-named moon. I tried to word it appropriately. 163.41.136.11 (talk) 20:39, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure the manga reference is valid, since the original Japanese text doesn't use the term “titan”, and the word kyojin doesn't really imply any connection to mythologic titans. Maybe phrase it something like, “The manga series Shingeki no Kyojin has adopted Attack on Titan as its official English title. The word Titan is used for the main antagonists, giant humanoid creatures that feed on humans, although Kyojin literally means giant, and no connection to mythologic titans is implied in the manga.” Or remove it altogether; why is this more relevant than, say, the Teen Titans? --Lalo Martins (talk) 07:59, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Actually I just went ahead and removed it; it's not only of dubious relevance, but also unsourced. If you feel differently, please discuss here, and if you want to put it back, please add a reference. --Lalo Martins (talk) 08:10, 5 August 2013 (UTC)