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Great article, TNKS[edit]

Thanks for the work on this article, well done. Pictures are good. Click on 'images' under a Google-search for more pictures. -- AstroU (talk) 22:21, 23 June 2015 (UTC) -- PS: I'll be 'watching' and helping edit.[reply]

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Reviewer: Kosack (talk · contribs) 20:33, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]


I'll take a look at this one, will post comments soon. Kosack (talk) 20:33, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Initial review:

Infobox[edit]

  • What's the source for her full name?

Lead[edit]

  • I think World Cup winners are normally described as winners or finalists, not as gold or silver medallists.
  • "She currently plays professionally for the Portland Thorns FC of the National Women's Soccer League (NWSL).", this sentence needs to be moved up to the start, probably after "professional soccer player".
  • "According to the United States Soccer Federation, Heath is "perhaps the USA's most skillful player", and she was voted the United States' best player in 2016", this sentence could be tightened up, perhaps "Described by the United States Soccer Federation as "perhaps the USA's most skillful player", she was voted..."
  • Is flank midfielder an American term?
  • WP:LEAD expects an article of this size to have an opening of three to four paragraphs so I think this needs expanding. There's plenty of potential for expansion, her club career only mentions a draft and her Thorns title victories for example.

Early life and education[edit]

  • The citation needed tag after Champions for Christ can be removed, the source is in the following sentence. However, the source doesn't seem to support the YMCA claim.
  • Link YMCA if you can find a source for it.
  • "Heath has said herself she is a ", sentence is a bit clunky, perhaps "Heath has described herself as a..."
  • Full stop is missing from the end of that sentence.
  • Ref 6 doesn't seem to have any relevance to the last sentence, if it is being used it needs to be moved to the information it supports.
  • The last two paragraphs are unsourced.

North Carolina Tar Heels[edit]

  • Picture caption could do with some links, stadium and location certainly. I don't think we need the day of the week with the date either.
  • "pulled out 1-0 victories", seems an odd way to describe the results with no context. Recorded 1-0 victories perhaps?
  • "She was named to the NCAA All-Tournament Team. She was also the first runner-up for the MAC Hermann Trophy, given to college soccer's top player.", these two sentences could probably be merged into one to improve flow.
  • Last paragraph is unsourced.

Women's professional soccer, 2010-11[edit]

  • Add an abbreviation in brackets for Women's Professional Soccer after the term to explain uses of WPS.
  • "selected by the expansion Atlanta Beat", I'm not well versed in the American terms for the game but should that be expansion team/side?

New York Fury[edit]

  • Should it be "of the WPSL Elite League"?
  • "after recovering from an ankle injury during the start of the season and later being called to the national team", I'm not sure the end of that makes sense. The national team ending doesn't fit with the rest of the sentence, I would say it needs rewording.

Paris Saint-Germain (PSG), 2013–2014[edit]

  • I don't think the abbreviation is needed in the heading, it's already explained in the first sentence of this section.
  • "Heath returned to PSG in September 2013.", where did she go?
  • Section is a little short, only three sentences for nearly a year at the club. Is there any potential for  expansion?

Portland Thorns FC, 2013–present[edit]

  • "with Heath scoring the game-winning goal on a free kick", should that be direct from a free kick?
  • Link Most valuable player.
  • After the first paragraph, the rest of the section is unsourced.

Career statistics[edit]

  • Standard layout for footballers is for the career statistics sections to be placed after the text, per Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players. I would place it between the international career and honours sections.
  • The second column is for cup/playoffs but these are two very different competitions so it seems odd to me to be including them together.
  • I would suggest a note for the continental competitions explaining what tournaments she played in.

National youth teams[edit]

  • Some links in the picture caption could be added for the world cup and New York.
  • Section is unsourced.

Senior national team debut, 2008[edit]

  • "Heath nutmegged a Finland player on her first touches.", is that notable?
  • WNT and USWNT are both used but there is no mention of what these abbreviations stand for. With the first mention you should include the full title to establish what the abbreviation is describing.

2011 FIFA Women's World Cup[edit]

  • "Heath had her shot blocked by Japan's goalie", saved rather than blocked? I would say to use goalkeeper instead of goalie too.

2012 London Olympics[edit]

  • Section is unsourced.

2015 FIFA Women's World Cup[edit]

Honors and awards[edit]

  • Very few of the awards are referenced.

Video games[edit]

  • "Heath is also one of the two women on the game with 5 star skills alongside Marta of Brazil.", is that notable?

References[edit]

  • Ref 5 is dead and is only a url.
  • Ref 9, publisher Soccerway is one word.
  • Ref 10 needs an author.
  • Ref 12 is dead.
  • Ref 14 needs author, publisher and accessdate.
  • Ref 22 needs a publisher.
  • Ref 25 seems to just take me to the Fox Sports Ohio homepage.
  • Ref 27, surely there's a more official source than an Instagram grab site? Ref 33 would appear to cover it?
  • Ref 33 needs a publisher.
  • Ref 36 needs a date.
  • Ref 37 needs filling out, it's currently just a link.
  • Ref 38 is unnecessary, 37 covers it and it's just an Instagram picture.

Match reports[edit]

  • Some of the reports are missing accessdates, all of them are missing published dates.

That's my initial review, quite a few unsourced paragraphs which really need sorting. I've avoided reviewing them for the time being until they are sourced or removed. On hold for now. Kosack (talk) 12:08, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have done most of the things listed there, one thing I have picked up on was a wrong wikilink, I've altered that to the correct page - it was linked to NCAA Women's Soccer Championship which gives you a list of the divisions they are pointing to. Yes, ref 25 and the archive URL versions are not going to the correct pages so that was replaced by an existing URL. Iggy (Swan) 22:36, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Follow up review[edit]

Infobox[edit]

  • Her current club doesn't contain FC but it is used elsewhere in the article. Is there a reason that it is not used there?
No there isn't. This is now added for the consistency purpose. Iggy (Swan) 18:26, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lead[edit]

  • "Heath is described as "perhaps the USA's most skillful player" by the United States Soccer Federation, and she was voted the United States' best player in 2016.", the reference only seems to support the quote rather than the award. Unless I'm mistaken, the ref should be moved to the comma after Federation.
  • Is there an official name for the best player award? If it's the U.S. Soccer Athlete of the Year award mentioned in the honours then use the full name and link to the award.
Both  Done Iggy (Swan) 18:26, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

North Carolina Tar Heels[edit]

 Done Iggy (Swan) 18:26, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Paris Saint-Germain[edit]

  • "This six month contract was referred as "she describes as her education" by the Portland Thorns website after the first spell there", this sentence is very muddled and needs rewording.
This is now more clear, please excuse that. Iggy (Swan) 18:26, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Portland Thorns FC[edit]

  • "scoring the game-winning goal on a direct free kick", I don't think you can score on a direct free kick, it would have to be from or via.
  • The second paragraph has six sentences, five of which begin with Heath. Try to avoid repetition of a name like this.
  • "Heath was removed from the disabled list and added to the active roster on August 28", source for this?
  • "It was announced in May that she would take up a role within the team's Development Academy as Youth Technical Director.", source for this?
  • "her NWSL season debut was on the September 23", avoid using the before dates, per MOS:DATEFORMAT.
  • Link North Carolina Courage.
 Done - found sources and avoided repetition on the five sentences which starts with the surname. Iggy (Swan) 18:26, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

National youth teams[edit]

  • "– two of which was the U-16s""- I would shorten this to just "including the U-16s..."
  • "was one of the last players chosen to to make the World Cup roster,", was doesn't really work on its own here, could simply change to "despite being one of..."?
  • "scoring five goals, two of which in international matches", what other matches could an international team score in?
  • The first international goal could be worked into the text rather than in brackets.
 Done - reading that again on the second bullet point didn't make it flow with the comma. Third one did not make sense in the source as all matches for a national team are international matches there. Iggy (Swan) 18:26, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Senior national team debut[edit]

  • "Heath earned her first 17 caps and scored her first two goals, the first-ever U.S. Women's National Team USWNT goal was against China at the 2008 Algarve Cup", this sentence is a bit confusing and makes it sound like it was the national team's first goal rather than hers.
  • Link Canada women's national soccer team.
 Done - also linked China's team. Iggy (Swan) 18:26, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2016 Rio Olympics[edit]

  • Last part is unsourced.
That bit was a bit of a struggle as I can't find anything on what verifies the content there. Iggy (Swan) 18:26, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Honours[edit]

  • Several honours still needs refs.
Yes they do and I have found them in one source. Iggy (Swan) 18:26, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

General[edit]

  • The article is scoring highly on Earwig's copyvio tool and some sentences seem to be exact copies from the sources.
That I have forgotten about, I suspect that may be the same case to other articles similar to this one - there wasn't many problems with the Chris Wood (footballer, born 1991) article. Iggy (Swan) 18:26, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have re-worded some sentences which have brought the percentages of the highest three sources down by a good 20-30% which falls into the green unlikely region of the scale. I am guessing that these sources may have been copied off from the encyclopedia, but with the re-wording, this makes the violation less serious. Iggy (Swan) 19:01, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've dropped down the percentage a bit further, it's still higher than I would like but there are a considerable amount of award and tournament names and common phrases that are pushing it up. I would be very surprised if the official US Soccer team's website is using us for information. I'll take another look at this soon and see how we're looking. Kosack (talk) 19:49, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Found a few more issues in another run through and reviewed information that was previously unsourced. Kosack (talk) 10:27, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Minor issues[edit]

  • "On the Portland Thorns FC website, her six month spell was referred as "she describes as her education".", this sentence still doesn't work. I think you're overcomplicating what you're trying to say, I would suggest something along the lines of "She later described her six month spell as "her education"?
  • Remove 2013 NWSL Championship and Sky Blue FC links in the Thorns section, both are already linked above.
  • 2016 NWSL Shield honour is unsourced.
  • UNC player profile external link only goes to the University homepage.

Think that's the last of it. Just a few minor issues. Kosack (talk) 19:10, 3 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Last few issues addressed, I now believe this article meets the GA criteria. Promoting. Kosack (talk) 15:13, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Couple more issues[edit]

Sincerely Goontalk —Preceding undated comment added 02:29, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Goonsnick:, this GA review finished over a year ago. If there are issues with the article now, you can either address them yourself or raise them on the main talk page if you don't feel able, thanks. Kosack (talk) 07:20, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Arsenal contract terminated[edit]

If someone has time to update the current club stuff. https://www.arsenal.com/news/tobin-heath-leaves-club Ascendingrisingharmonising (talk) 08:39, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like you've had the time to do that. I agree there's nothing else to be done with that. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 11:39, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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