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Use by Norwegian Armed Forces[edit]

The Norwegian military in Afghanistan uses these vehicles. Don't know if I can find an English source, but there is this one in Scandinavian. --85.164.223.42 (talk) 12:49, 18 April 2009 (UTC) --- Check out this website: http://www.defence-arctictrucks.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.144.27.53 (talk) 00:23, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Can someone please post when there will be a model change (with significant body changes) in Toyota Prado ? Is it 2008?

LM 68.161.72.105 07:52, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

This article needs the history section NPOVd, tidied up, Wikified etc. I will get to it sometime but no promises.--Nick-in-South-Africa 18:11, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Agreed. One of the very POV bits I came across is this
"Displacing 4.7 DOHC produces 173 kW and an awsome 434 Nm on the flywheel. Independent front suspension (IFS) appears for the first time in the big Cruiser (first appearing in the 90 Series/ Prado back in 96) causing complete consternation amongst purists - "we will never forgive Toyota for going independent at the front with the mighty 4.2 turbo-diesel" - Australian 4WD Monthly. Indeed UK, US and many other markets sadly only get IFS versions of the 100 series - and do to this day. These IFS 100 Series were initially available with the 4.7 V8 and laterly the truly amazing 1 HD-FTE 4.2 litre 6 cylinder 24 valve 151 kW - 430 Nm turbo diesel."
While the first part makes it clear it's causing complete consternation amongst purists which I suppose is NPOV, the later part says "... other markets sadly only get IFS versions." I've removed the sadly part since that's clearly a POV, a lot of people would not care and heck some people might even say it's good/happily!60.234.141.76 17:10, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

References[edit]

I just ran across this at the Times. It's probably registration-required, but it's probably also worth it, too. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/14/automobiles/14CARS.html?8dt&oref=login --Milkmandan 05:56, 2005 Feb 15 (UTC)

Can you give us an idea what was in the article please? Login links are not particularly useful in Wikipedia, even in the talk pages --Spiggot 20:34, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

FJ Cruiser[edit]

Early 2005 - Toyota exhibits the "FJ Cruiser" as a 2007 model to debut in 2006. It features bodywork reminiscent of the classic FJ40 but is based on a pickup frame and has a modern V6 engine. - This is based on old information, the FJ Cruiser is not based on the Tacoma frame as earlier thought, but actually based on the Prado/4Runner boxed frame for better stiffness over the Tacoma's C frame. I'm updating this with a link to the Toyota FJ Cruiser site. -- Lost Cosmonaut 22:50, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Going to rework this a little bit more considering we finally have a decent FJ Cruiser wikipedia article now. Lost Cosmonaut 19:01, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Hm...[edit]

Is it just me or does this article seem to be written from an Australian perspective? Most of the magazines and awards mentioned here are from either Australian or South African magazines, and I had to edit "petrol" and "saloon" back to "gasoline" and "sedan", since the former terms are not used in Japan. --ApolloBoy 05:59, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Petrol and saloon are American English terms, and should be left to be in line with the original article. Do not change them just because they don't happen to be the words that you as an Australian use.I would however advocate scrubbing the reference to Prado in the first paragraph, as it is a model designation, and not necessarily world-wide. The article otherwise is about LandCruisers in general. --Spiggot 16:06, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Upon rereading this article I propose to separate the Prado paragraph and references at the top into a new article, and have this page as a LandCruiser page in general, as it covers too many models. The history is particularly valuable, and not market-specific as far as I can see. I'll be happy to do the work, when I find the time. I'll try and correct any POV in the process. --Spiggot 20:32, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
"Petrol" and "saloon" aren't used in Japan, though. --ApolloBoy 05:02, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Nor are "Gasoline" or "Sedan", but I don't know the Japanese words for them anyway, cause they not made in Japan. This is irrelevant in any case. This is an American Encyclopedia, and policy is that the AUTHOR or the article decides whether to use American words. Articles shouldn't be revised just because they conform to a standard other than your own.--Spiggot 17:29, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
'Petrol' and 'Saloon' are most certainly NOT American English terms. We use 'gasoline', never petrol. 'Saloon' is very uncommon in American usage, the only time I can ever recall it in American use is in specialty European car magazines, like the BMW club magazine Roundel. The general populace is much more accustomed to the term 'sedan', and would think of an Old West tavern rather than a car if you said 'saloon' to them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 214.13.209.200 (talk) 01:41, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Readers could probably use a little help with "saloon," as it has a decidedly different meaning

I never hear people in America saying "petrol" and "saloon", everbody that I know says gasoline and sedan. I also think that petrol and saloon are British English, not American English

about a proposed edit to this article regarding Toyota Land Cruiser as well as other Toyota SUV's and trucks[edit]

I have some information regarding Toyota SUVs and trucks built in USA and maybe Indonesia (possibly Thailand as well but at this time I do not think so). I posted it as an update on the Toyota Land Cruiser article. I probably rushed to fast and I received feedback from some users regarding this. I probably should have looked for solid references (as was advised in the feedback). I do believe that at least some of the main points in my edit are fact and I do admit that some of it contains future speculation as well.

I invite all interested users to debate my proposed edit on these discussion pages to determine what parts of my edit (if any) should be posted on the official article. The information that is in my proposed post are things that potential customers of these products deserve to know.

Here is a draft of my proposed edit (that was posted on the Land Cruiser article as well as some other articles relating to Toyota SUVs and Trucks and then removed pending online debate):

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Toyota SUV’s and trucks (built in USA and Indonesia as well) including the Land Cruiser and 4Runner as well as others are used by Osama Bin Laden’s illegal Al Qaeda terrorist army and their Taliban partners. In the United States this is becoming controversial because Americans who buy these vehicles can be seen as extremely unpatriotic and honoring the enemy. As a result, these products might get vandalized in many different ways including spray paint, scratching, damaging lights, windows, etc. This will probably cause insurance premiums to increase in significant ways making these vehicles much more expensive to own and drive. Passions will most likely increase later in 2006 as the 5th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks approaches. There are also 2 movies about 9/11 that are planned for release in theaters in 2006. After this time the possibility of these vehicles being vandalized might increase (especially ones built after the 2006 model year) as their American owners might be viewed as being extremely unpatriotic and honoring the enemy of America and showing absolutely no respect for America. If this results in big insurance rate increases, the owners of these vehicles will be spending a lot more money to own and drive them.

(End of proposed draft edit)

As mentioned in this article I have information regarding these vehicles being used by Al-Qaeda and the Taliban on the battlefield in the same way that the Jeep was used by America and its allies against Nazi Germany in World War 2. I have watched several news reports on news networks such as CNN, BBC, CBS, NBC, as well as others regarding Al-Qaeda and I have spotted these vehicles on these news reports many times (especially as the war on terror was first starting) including the Toyota Land Cruiser. Land Cruisers are easy to recognize. And I also saw what appear to be Toyota markings on many of these vehicles. I believe that this is something that people (especially potential customers for these vehicles) should know. I invite all interested users to join this debate and share any information you all might have.

What are you talking about? If you read this article, it says that the Land Cruiser is usually the "vehicle of choice" for terrorism. Besides, your proposed edit sounds good. Sorry, But it's the fact--ApolloBoy 00:40, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

A considered response to your proposal:

You are proposing to use hearsay and personal observation (original research, by definition) to update an article in a potentially inflammatory way by creating a link to an unrelated event. Major problems:

  1. Toyota vehicles (and Nissan, and others) are certainly used by terrorist orginisations, largely due to the availability in the countries concerned (I might add that many of these vehicles may be stolen, but that would be speculation and hearsay, so you can ignore that suggestion). Many Al-Qaeda personnel use these vehicles as well.
  2. You have "watched several news reports", and you have "spotted" these vehicles. This is personal observation, and therefore original research. You have also noticed what "what appear to be Toyota markings on many of these vehicles" (my emphasis), not very encyclopedic.
  3. You believe that "these products might get vandalized", and that "This will probably cause insurance premiums to increase in significant ways making these vehicles much more expensive to own and drive". This is complete fabriction. There is no factual basis for the first (though your comments may in fact help this become a self-fulfilling prophecy), and the second is pure speculation.
  4. You link in an event (the release of two films) entirely unrelated to the topic of this article (a car) and then continue to speculate that "passions will most likely increase" and that "the possibility of these vehicles being vandalized might increase" (my emphasis).
  5. You then lead to an extremely inflammatory remark, that "American owners might be viewed as being extremely unpatriotic and honoring the enemy of America and showing absolutely no respect for America". That is to say that buying a American car, one that is noted specifically for its performance in harsh conditions, one that is used by legitimate organisations worldwide, one that the maker would certainly not have chosen to sell to terrorists, will make an American honour an enemy and have a total lack of respect for his country. See my comment about cotton pants.

Not one single part of your proposed modification has a place in a factual encyclopedic article.

--Spiggot 19:29, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Here here. Basically similar to my argument about adding this to the Toyota FJ Cruiser article. Lost Cosmonaut 03:53, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Some people have great ideas. What if all American patriots sell their Toyota SUV ? The cars in excess on the second-hand market will find their to third world countries were they could be buyed by anyone including terrorists. Ericd 03:23, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


Looks good to me man. When are we going to implement this desperately needed edit? --Evilbred (talk) 15:39, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

That has no place in any encyclopedia article[edit]

I don't think that is of any quality at all and should not be added to any article. Anytime you use a word such as "might" and "probably" multiple times it is not good quality. Also, I work at a Toyota dealership (specifically the second largest Toyota specialty SUV center in the United States) and I have not heard a word about this supposed vandalism or possibility of it.TheOssman 03:58, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. What a wack suggested edit, and over-the-top POV. Are we supposed to boycott everything because terrorists buy it? What if terrorists appreciate quality? They use American-made laptops (with Microsoft software), fly commercially on Boeing airliners, use Yahoo and Google email accounts, maybe even eat USAID-subsidized flour and powdered milk. Should the Army drop the Colt M-16 rifle because it is used by criminals?

I am an American living in Yemen. Land Cruisers and other Toyotas dominate the market here because they don't break. They survive bad drivers, bad fuel, poor maintenance, terrible roads, and endless dust. BTW, Toyota produces and sells a lot of cars in the USA(which they made in USA), and will overtake GM as the leading auto manufacturer in the world in another couple of years. What boycott? --RandallC 14:01, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


Poor Quality...[edit]

This article seems to be opinion driven rather than based on factual citation.

"The Land Cruiser is widely used around the world in areas which require durability, reliability and off road performance. The Land Cruiser along with the Hilux pickup truck is symbolic of Toyota's legendary toughness and both trucks are used around the world in grueling terrains and climates with poor roads for many many years before they are no longer usable." - Sounds more like a poorly iterated advertisement for the brand than an encyclopedia article.

It talks of the 'Prado' as being a version of a landcruiser (which it is by branding only; "Landcruiser Prado"), when technically it is an entirely different vehicle. Needs a drastic clean up...

So why not clean it up? I just took a stab at it myself.
Also, please sign your posts. All you have to do is add ~~~~ at the end. -- Rob C (Alarob) 01:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

8th and 9th Generation Land Cruiser[edit]

Is there a particular reason why the 100 and 200 series Land Cruisers are labeled as "Station Wagons" in the right-hand-side information panels? The photos shown are both SUVs, not station wagons. Even the information panel lists "4-door SUV" as the body style. I didn't edit the labels because I don't know much about Land Cruisers, so perhaps I'm missing something and the 100/200 series do come as station wagons. Perhaps someone who knows more about this vehicle can make the proper edits if they are indeed necessary. --71.105.217.189 (talk) 20:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Tommy Doom[edit]

some Genius put Tommy Doom as the actual person! Great!. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by an unidentified user.

Fixed. user at IP address 61.247.42.101 is Brilliant -- Rob C (Alarob) 01:56, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

This article needs fixing[edit]

This article, since it is the US article, should have more info on the actual 2007 Toyota Land Cruiser that an actual person can go down and buy. All the stuff on the current Land Cruiser is a blurb and it needs more info about the US-spec version.Something14 19:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Two points. 1. This is US article and it is the English article and not objective. 2. This encyclopedia article is probably the place for up-to-date product information. There are other websites that already do that, including the manufacturer's site and consumer sites. This is the fact. And I like it, a sales brochure advertising. -- Rob C (Alarob) 15:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Can everyone tell me about what is the VX or GX.


Land Cruiser "Prado"[edit]

Shouldn't the Prado be merged with the Lexus GX article?


Text and infoboxes don't match[edit]

Most generation numbers second, third, forth... and some quoted years do not match from text to the infoboxes. I would change it but I don't know which is correct. Carlwev 17:52, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Where is the 2000 model? - Cleanup[edit]

It seems someone "cleaned up" by removing all information about the 2000-2007 models. If anyone doesn't mind, I'm going to put it back (as the article jumps generations because of it). Any objections? -- TheSlyFox 09:33, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

The Seventh Generation is now back in the article, but the production dates are all mismatched and confusing. All the generation numbers had been switched on the infoboxes, so I fixed that. I'm not an expert on the subject, so I don't know how the production dates should be fixed, but I did the best I could with the information from the article.

That's my stab at a quick cleanup. :) -- TheSlyFox 10:03, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Small clean-up attempt, 7 June 2008[edit]

The bulk of the page is organized by series, but the later info entries are organized by year. So, for example, info about recent 70 series models is found under the 80, 100, and 200 series sections. I'm going to do what little reorganizing I can. Danny Reese (talk) 19:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Excellent. It is much better now. Stepho-wrs (talk) 02:55, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Need to get rid of the current Toyota Land Cruiser president. He is a terrible leaderChuckManson (talk) 20:53, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand what you mean and how it is related to the clean up. Could you rephrase it please? Stepho-wrs (talk) 23:34, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Engine info for 80 & 100 series is MAJORLY lacking[edit]

Who on earth wrote this article? They left out so many engine options. I have already fixed it up, but the 100 Series for instance was offered with a 4.5L 6-cylinder petrol engine, two 4.2L 6-cylinder diesels (one naturally aspirated, the other turbo), and a 3.0L 4-cylinder turbodiesel. The 80 Series was also offered initially with a 4.0L 6-cylinder, before being replaced with the 4.5L.Davez621 (talk) 01:55, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

the 200 series engine 4.7 2UZ-FE has been superseded by the 4.6 liter 1UR-FEKongkit (talk) 00:07, 17 June 2009 (UTC)KongkitKongkit (talk) 00:07, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I've just added the 1UR-FE engine. Stepho-wrs (talk) 03:25, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Linkspam?[edit]

For a more complete history of the FJ40 in the United States, see 'The History of the Land Cruiser' by Josh Boltrek at www.tlca.org

This isn't quite linkspam, but shouldn't it be at the bottom of the article or something? Peaceduck (talk) 23:02, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

That's right. It should be either a direct reference or an external reference, not part of the text. Besides, I went looking for it at TLCA and couldn't find it.  Stepho  (talk) 23:12, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Redoing sections[edit]

I have rewritten the 100-series section, adding details and engines. I may have left some regions out of the availability table, so feel free to contribute if there are additional models left out, or a model is available in your region but not listed as such. I'll have a go at redoing some of the other sections in the same format (Details, variants, problems, awards, gallery) when I get a chance. Check my wiki commons page for more photos of 45, 55, 70 and 80 series if anyone wants to add them to the model galleries.

I removed some info from the 100 series section that related to the 120 series (AKA Prado). This vehicle will need it's own section.--Cruiser-Aust 03:21, 21 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cruiser-Aust (talkcontribs)

60 series section[edit]

In my opinion the 60 series section is just plain wrong. Firstly it says it was available for sale from 1981. Maybe this was true for some markets, but not for all. It was available from 1980. The 5 to 7 seating is also incorrect. Again, perhaps for some markets, but not for all. I have seen 8 seaters. Who exactly says it is well known for it 4x4 capabilities? And finally, the writer implies the FJ Cruiser got it's head light styling from the 60 series, when in fact it got it's styling from the 40 series. Vince (talk) 01:11, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

'plain wrong' is a bit of an overstatement for some minor errors but I have addressed some of them anyway. 1981 was probably put in by a US editor (the 1981 US model year actually started in mid 1980 - just to confuse non US readers). Other parts of the article said 1980-1990, so I've edited the article to make it consistent with that. All generations of the Land Cruiser are well known for their off-road capabilites, so I haven't removed that but I've put in a 'citation needed' for completeness. I did the remove the mention of the FJ Cruiser because it didn't seem relevant. Do you have a reference for the eight seater version?  Stepho  talk  04:25, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Wow, only now do I check back with this page. 'plain wrong' was indeed a bit strong, my apologies. I'm afraid I have no reference for the 8 seats, though I have seen plenty on Ebay. The Owner's Manual does mention the possibility of 3rd row seats (with regards to tyre pressure), but that does not imply 8 seats. The following configurations are possible: 2+3, 3+3, 2+3+2, 3+3+2 and even 3+3+3. So that's 9 even. (though 9 strikes me as an after market configuration) But again, no proof. Vince (talk) 00:04, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Ok, I've got some info from a Toyota sales brochure. The seating capacity is actually 3-10. You've got 3, 5, 6, 8, 9 and 10. 10 is 3 up front, 3 in the middle and 4 in the back on troopy style seats. I think the 10 seater is more of a Middle East spec. Sales brochure circa late 80s, Toyota Motor Corporation, J-E 8711, Printed in Japan, No. 21. Vince (talk) 08:30, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

200 series[edit]

I just read the 200 series section, and it needs a bit of cleaning up in my opinion.

  1. Who for example are the 'time honored Landcruiser supporters'?
  2. And how do we know they 'welcomed' anything?
  3. Who gave the 'some criticism'?
  4. Who says it can 'run with a Range Rover', thereby also implying the Range Rover is the benchmark against which other 4x4s are compared?

I think it should stick to facts: what is it, and what are it's specs, and how is it different from previous Landcruisers. My recommendation: scrap most of that section. Vince (talk) 00:14, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, there's a bit of fan cruft in there. I'll clean out the worst of it. It also has an Australian bias to it but since I'm Australian, someone else will have to provide info from other countries.  Stepho  talk  03:59, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Ebay auction for first FJ28 in Australia[edit]

There's an Ebay aution for what is claimed (no proof given) for the first FJ28 in Australia, from the first batch of evaluation Land Cruisers brought into the country. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130920604563  Stepho  talk  10:01, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

huge popularity, especially in South Sudan[edit]

It was recently added that the LC is huge popular in South Sudan and the given reference was http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21581756-driving-right-type-car-most-widely-accepted-mark . However, the reference itself says "Toyota does not yet run dealerships in South Sudan; Land Cruisers are imported privately from Uganda". I find it hard to believe that a hugely popular car doesn't have a dealership in the country. The reference talks a lot about poor people aspiring to drive an LC V8 (the luxury model), politicians owning LC V8's and humanitarian groups preferring the more reliable 70/80 series with less breakable gadgets but that doesn't necessarily translate in sales in South Sudan or some other form of measurable popularity. I read through the reference, formed the above conclusion and reverted the addition but it has been reinstated. Would anybody else like to comment on the so-called huge popularity in South Sudan?  Stepho  talk  04:59, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

I'd support removing it with the same reservations as you raise. I'm in rural South Sudan right now (working in refugee camps), and I can confirm that there is *nothing* but "troopies" (and big trucks) on the road. But they're not popular in the commonly understood sense: they're a standard catalogue item for most of the NGOs, and when they reach the end of their service life, they're sold to staff, including local staff, hence the huge numbers of them in private hands. But I'd only call them "popular" if there was a choice. And more to the point, this is certainly not South Sudan-specific. One might as well cite Kosova. And there was no dealer there either ;-) – Kieran T (talk) 06:58, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
I would hope you wouldn't find locals in refugee camps driving around in TLCs. What about quoting these sentences from the ref? 1. "Yet locals harbor intense feelings of devotion for certain Japanese vehicles". 2. "The V8...is the most popular car in the world’s youngest country". 3. "Drivers populate street corners at all hours of the day, lovingly washing V8 bumpers with buckets of soap, as they sing odes to their metallic companions." 4."With independence and modernity, a cream V8 has become as desirable as a white bull." I don't think it's correct just to use 1 quote that appears to support your opinion. These plentiful quotes make it quite clear that TLCs are popular among locals not just aid types. Also, the fact there is no dealership does not detract from their popularity. This reflects ignorance of South Sudan. It's a new country developing from a very low base & it lacks many things besides we would consider normal and expected to possess. Oh, & the reason i did not respond on this page was because i was not informed a discussion had been opened. Next time please notify me if any such comments have been added because i don't want to be portrayed as uncooperative. Thanks.00:13, 21 July 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fotoriety (talkcontribs)
I'll mention the etiquette stuff first. Whenver you edit an article it is automatically put on your watch list. When a change is made to the article or its discussion/talk page then it will show up on your watch list. You are expected to look at your watch list to keep up with what changes. Also, it is considered polite to not edit a contentious part of an article while it is under discussion. Otherwise we wind up with two editors flip-flopping back and forth between two versions of the article. This gets confusing when other editors are trying to modify other, non-contentious parts of the article and get reverted by mistake. You said I only took one quote from the reference when I actually discussed multiple points from the reference - points both for and against my point of view. And lastly, please sign your comments by placing four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your comment.
Now on to the main discussion. There is an old adage that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. The single, solitary reference you gave is an opinion piece. It contains no data backing it up and points to no references of its own. If it was making a small point then I would accept it and move on. But it is making a big point and you need far more proof than you have provided - both with more references and better references backed up with actual data. By comparison, Australia has been using Land Cruisers since the 1960s (over 50 years), LC's have had impressive total sales figures for almost every year, consistently gets good reports from farmers and mining companies and have consistently sold well against competition such as the Land Rover, Nissan Patrol, Jeep and many others. You said yourself that South Sudan is a new country. Which means it has not had enough time to form statistically accurate figures. LC's might be popular today but the choice might go to another product next year. It's obvious from reading the reference that it's not the LC itself which is being loved - it's the wealth implicit in being able to afford an LC V8 (and not just the rugged utility 70/80 series preferred by aid professionals) that is popular.  Stepho  talk  06:35, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Sales figures[edit]

In a global encyclopaedia article on a Japanese vehicle it seems strange to have a sales figures table listing only US sales. Should this section be moved to the talk page until someone can come up with a more comprehensive table of figures? This site reports a range of relevant figures. Djapa Owen (talk) 17:27, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Agree that it should show more than one country. Disagree that it should be hidden. It was originally added in Jan 2009 with the section title 'US sales' and columns for year and sales - ie only US sales were possible. I changed it so that US sales are just one possible column and other editors could add more columns as data was found. Sadly nobody added any more countries but the possibility is still open.  Stepho  talk  22:04, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Marlin specifications[edit]

Yesterday IP 122.107.229.187 deleted the detailed description of the enhancements of the Marlin model, replacing it with "luxury interior", and today User:Stepho-wrs reverted that change. I suspect that the Marlin model deserves less space, somewhere between the two edits. What do people think? Djapa Owen (talk) 03:25, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Agreed, it is a bit long for a vehicle that is not overly famous. The engine and drive-line is standard, so we could knock that back to simply having the 4.5 L 1FZ-FE engine. The extras list could be pared down a bit but most of the items were important: "Some of the features that the Blue Marlin included were altimeters, power windows, disk brakes, leather gear knob and steering wheel, central locking, leather trim, chrome handles and sidesteps, 16" alloy wheels, limited-slip differential, anti-lock brakes (ABS), power steering, CD and cassette players, flares, and a limited edition bull bar." Either that or simply say it had the full luxury interior and all mechanical options but that's kind of vague.  Stepho  talk  04:32, 13 February 2014 (UTC)