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UK section- Government opposition to Trade unionism?[edit]

A case could be made for government opposition to trade unionism during the early 1970s, but surely not in the 1960s or the winter of discontent. Any references to support this wild assertion? Gravuritas (talk) 01:40, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

November 2013[edit]

Hi, The info on Europe was put in the Scandinavia section as it referred mainly to it. I don't see how a picture of a few workers standing around adds much to the article, but I can leave it in if you want.Noodleki (talk) 01:07, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Use of misleading and incomplete clause?[edit]

There is one sentence here which is uncited:

"Originating in Europe, trade unions became popular in many countries during the Industrial Revolution, when the lack of skill necessary to perform most jobs shifted employment bargaining power almost completely to the employers' side, causing many workers to be mistreated and underpaid."

In its current structure it has one clause - "the lack of skill necessary to perform most jobs" - which in my judgement would be better re-worded to clarify its meaning and to make the phrasing more neutral:

"Originating in Europe, trade unions became popular in many countries during the Industrial Revolution, when the lower expertise required to produce the same output made workers more easily replaceable and shifted employment bargaining power almost completely to the employers' side, causing many workers to be mistreated and underpaid."

My edit was reverted, citing addition of uncited content. If someone would like to find some citing for it, you are welcome to do so. ChaffinchNZ (talk) 08:35, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello ChaffinchNZ. I saw the revert and template at your userplage, and I reacted a bit like you. The sentence you changed is in the lede which is supposed to be a summary of the body which is why it did't have a source. The sentence in question is probably meant to be a summary of the history section sourced to Webb*2, but I don't think the orginal lede was an optimal summary and at first glance your latest edit seems fine to me (allthough the "shifted bargaining power" may have a potential to mislead a bit; without saying anything about many of these was coming from a more unformal economy; which I believe they did) Regards,Iselilja (talk) 09:00, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
Sounds very contentious to me, and probably wrong. Much of early trade unionism in the UK was in the skilled trades, not unskilled. Underpaid? In all seriousness, what exactly does that mean? In England the agricultural workers during the industrial revolution were paid less in the South than they were in the North, because people were being attracted to the cities from the land. So what is criterion for /underpaid/, and by comparison with the rural poor, what does mistreatment mean?
Gravuritas (talk) 00:21, 5 July 2014 (UTC)