Talk:Troll (Internet)

Troll (Internet) Notable Actions

I would Request that The Following Info Be Placed in The "examples" part of the page: In mid June a group of children from Raymond J. Lockhart, Massapequa, NY Played Rick Ashley's Never Gonna Give You Up, Ergo trolling over 400 People at once on their annual "field day" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Infoguy2211 (talk • contribs) 02:34, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not the place for your personal army requests. G90025 (talk) 23:15, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

This was an actual event and seems plausible to be put in the article. I believe that the "Troll(internet)" article needs a "Notable Trolls" section. Some of these trolls in the section should be: Wiki-Leaks, The Rick-Rolling kids in NY (see above)and Christopher Torres (creator of Nyan Cat). I'm sure you guys can think of hundreds more --Trinjac (talk) 05:54, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

I think this definition is wrong!

A Troll is someone who posts something FALSE to cause an emotional response.e.g. If I say I don't believe the holocaust happened, and I really am a skinhead nazi, thats not trolling, Even on a Jewish forum. If I don't believe that, but I say it to annoy jews, that's trolling. That's how I've commonly seen the term used, Wikipedia has this wrong! I'm not trolling 118.71.18.207 (talk) 16:54, 5 December 2011 (UTC) lody 5/12

I partially agree with you but I think there are also instances where trolling can encompass posting actual data. For instance, in a sarcastic troll: Say that I want to imply that Barry Bonds was only good because he was a steroid user. I could emphatically say something like, "Barry Bonds achieved such great feats! He hit so many homeruns, blah, blah, blah." I could cite actual statistics but have a sarcastic intent. I dunno. Just sayin'. G90025 (talk) 17:34, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

▶ G90025, the guy that made the original post in this section is 100% correct. "Trolling" is the act of trying to start a confrontation, by typing/saying FALSE inflammatory things on the Internet in a social setting.

If this was NOT the definition, then people that get proven wrong in a hotly contested online debate that THEY started, could just call the "winner" a "Troll", in order to try and invalidate the correct information that "defeated" them. If anything, doing THAT is the act of "Trolling".--98.160.197.103 (talk) 10:53, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 7 December 2011

Current text in the image:

[[File:Troll school.jpg|thumb|220px|[[Jimbo Wales]], founder of [[Wikipedia]], discusses trolling in a special session during [[Wikimania#Wikimania_2006|Wikimania 2006]].]]

Come on now, we go by their "proper name, don't we? :P Intended text:

[[File:Troll school.jpg|thumb|220px|[[Jimmy "Jimbo" Wales]], founder of [[Wikipedia]], discusses trolling in a special session during [[Wikimania#Wikimania 2006|Wikimania 2006]].]]

71.175.53.239 (talk) 21:53, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

No as the policy you linked to we go by the Common name. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 22:36, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request: [citation needed]

A citation is needed for the second introductory paragraph where it mentions the deviantArt user Whynne. I have found the original link via the KnowYourMeme website on their Trollface/Coolface article. I am unable to add the citation myself due to the article being semi-protected. Here is the link: http://whynne.deviantart.com/art/Comic-Trolls-98357844 101.161.61.106 (talk) 19:08, 13 December 2011 (UTC) Alexander Cohen

Can someone suggest whether this link is a reasonable source to cite? I know it's legit but someone could raise the issue that an individual deviantArt user claiming something is not a valid cite, as opposed to somewhere like KnowYourMeme which is an accepted "official" source on Internet culture. G90025 (talk) 17:27, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism alert!

I saw vandalism in the "See Also/Troll groups" section of the page. I would just revert it myself, but the page is semi-protected, so I can't. Would someone please revert the vandalism for me? I'll warn the user. ChromaNebula (talk) 21:56, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

GNAA may have an offensive name and/or actually be an offensive group, but it's an actual page about a group that actually has that name, and which is actually a bit related to the topic of trolling. So...not vandalism. DMacks (talk) 22:15, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

I meant that listing the two groups as troll groups is offensive and disruptive; therefore, it's probably vandalism. Listing groups as troll groups, especially since the two groups are similar, was probably a bad-faith edit. Should I remove the warning template? ChromaNebula (talk) 22:28, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

the troll groups listing, though mildly alarming, is fine. It is pertinent to this article and therefore NOT vandalism. Aperseghin (talk) 14:11, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

This article needs updating.

• The definition of "Troll" as it pertains to the internet is much broader and, in this article, incomplete. "Trolling" is in no way limited to "someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community" This article completely ignores the existence of organized trolling and targeted trolling for the purpose of DOX or "Content". I am in no way advocating this behavior, but it needs to be mentioned here as it absolutely pertains to this article. I believe that i can probably add this information in a way that is non bias and informative.

• Also the entomology needs to be fixed/updated. "Troll" comes from the the English word Trolling (im aware that the french is where the English comes from but by definition Trolling is directly related to the English usage not the French (aka fishing not hunting)) and this relationship is not mentioned in the article.

• "The Internet dictionary NetLingo" is used as a source in this article and that source is out dated and not a reputable source.

• The article mentions "Concern troll" but fails to reference the phrase "White Knight"

• and finally under "Troll groups" the Private Villa of Corrupt Citizens" is not mentioned (they also could use an article but i know that CWC mentions have become Wikipedia taboo) Aperseghin (talk) 14:02, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

  This topic is one of a handful that are unlikely to ever be fully "correct" and sourced to reliable secondary sources. Essentially we need to wait until someone bothers to write an analysis of the topic, then we can use the ideas presented—that will inevitably be out-of-date and likely to be missing nuances known to those who, shall we say, work in the field. What I'm saying is that it is not worth worrying too much about the problems until a suitable source becomes available as this kind of topic cannot be accurately portrayed given the essential rules that apply here. Johnuniq (talk) 00:14, 25 February 2012 (UTC)