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Difference between Trolling, Spam, and Flaming[edit]

I find the introductory paragraph to be a bit misleading: "In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community..." Posting inflammatory remarks is usually referred to as flaming Flaming (Internet). It's a much finer line than between trolling and Spam. Trolling is designed to provoke people whereas spam is troublesome and uncreative. The second definition on Urban Dictionary states that "Trolling does not mean just making rude remarks: Shouting swear words at someone doesn't count as trolling; it's just flaming, and isn't funny. Spam isn't trolling either; it pisses people off, but it's lame." followed by "Trolling requires deceiving; any trolling that doesn't involve deceiving someone isn't trolling at all; it's just stupid." It think a change to a more accurate initial description is in order perhaps just removing the phrases 'inflammatory' and 'off-topic'. Twinleaf (talk) 17:53, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

There used to be a distinction from Griefer, in that trolling was harmless fun, just to provoke discussion or a helpful response, not even to cause offence. -- (talk) 08:05, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

I said this before. Trolling is a deception. It is absolutely not "accidental" The definition is wrong but they won't change it due to wikilaw. NYT definitions trump urban dictionary i'm afraid. (talk) 11:11, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Small suggestion[edit]

I don't really know if this is necessary, but I feel that this page should include a picture of the trollface, as that meme is associated with the topic. That is all.

Yea55 (talk) 22:57, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Using that image in this context would almost certainly violate the licensing of that image, and therefore is not allowed. DMacks (talk) 01:21, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2013 concerning the early adaption of the word "trollen" by Schopenhauer[edit]

Considering the respective guidelines the purpose of this request is to make a proposal for an addition in the section "Origin and Etymology":

There is already a mentioning of an "Early non-Internet related slang use of "trolling" by the US Navy. I find the fact noteworthy that there is a much earlier use of the word, namely by Schopenhauer, as early as September 1840. It is not proven from that, of course, that he was the 'inventor' of this specific meaning of the word "troll". Fact is, however, that he obviously was an early adapter and at least a contributor to that said meaning long before the internet effected the spread.

As for the Source: Its occurrence is in this lenghty sentence in the 'Vorrede' to "Kleinere Schriften II" in which he uses the word in the modern 'slang-use' meaning of 'trollen' (mit-trollen):

"Jedoch hat L o c k e hier noch eine ganze Klasse der Anhänger irriger Meinungen und Verbreiter falschen Ruhmes unberücksichtigt gelassen, und zwar die, welche den rechten Troß, das Gros de l'armée [die Hauptmasse des Heeres] derselben ausmacht: ich meine die Zahl Derer, welche nicht prätendiren, z. B. Professoren der Hegelei zu werden, oder sonstige Pfründen zu genieBen, sondern als reine Gimpel (gulls), im Gefühl der völligen Impotenz ihrer Urtheilskraft, Denen, die ihnen zu imponiren verstehn, nachschwätzen, wo sie Zulauf sehn, sich anschließen und mittrollen, und wo sie Lerm hören, mitschreien."

-Arthur Schopenhauer, Kleinere Schriften II, Vorrede zur ersten Auflage.

"Kleinere Schriften II" consist of "On the Freedom of the Will" and "On the Basis of Morality". I am sorry but I do not have an English translation at hand.

Source at Google Book

Best Regards Dr. Fred (talk) 13:25, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Not done:: it's a charming theory, but speculative. Sich trollen has been in the German language, to my knowledge, for over 50 years, and means roughly to mosey off. Prefix a mit and you have this. Sorry. --Stfg (talk) 14:44, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
To state the obvious, that's not a good example of its use in English !
Google translate gives 'medium roll' for mittrollen
as pure gulls ... , following where they see the feed, join and medium roll, and where they hear noise, scream along
I suspect there may be an accidental extra 't' - a typo for 'mitrollen', 'to join in and roll along with' (a ship or plough).
No sense of trolling here.
Have I just been trolled ?
-- (talk) 07:57, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Research on Trolls[edit]

Thought I would drop this here for review. Why do trolls annoy you online? Because they're sadists. "Though not just sadists — researchers say online trolls also score above average in narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy." Morphh (talk) 19:07, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Government paid trolls, information wars[edit]

I see no mention of the most populous troll segment in the post-Soviet cyberspace. These are paid people, often using other country proxies, who herd opinions in blogs and comments. I find them even in US and UK sites if a topic concerns Russia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:26, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

These are not trolls but shills:

A shill, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with the person or organization.

Trolls are much more obnoxious. RockyMtnGuy (talk) 02:24, 21 February 2014 (UTC)