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Full Metal Jacket?[edit]

IMDB does not list Troy as a location for this movie, and I'd be awfully surprised if it was, given Kubrick's normal practice of building all of his sets on sound stages in the UK. Can anybody confirm the addition of that movie in the Culture section as having used Troy as a location?--Gnhn 00:30, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Gnhn is correct in that the majority of the film was shot in the UK. The only scenes not shot in the UK were done on Parris Island, not in Troy. For reference, please see the filming locations for Full Metal Jacket as provided by IMDB.com. Reference to "Full Metal Jacket" and call for cleanup have been removed. --Deputy Marshall 05:48, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

MapInfo is not in Troy[edit]

MapInfo only uses a Troy mailing address. I it is located in the RPI tech park, about 5 miles south of Troy. It has been there for over 10 years.

I'm not so sure. Compare a Google map search for MapInfo near Troy with one for RPI tech park; the first fiew hits for both are all within a few hundred feet of each other, so I'd say both are in Troy – the south end of Troy to be sure, but still in Troy. —BenFrantzDale 02:24, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
The RPI Technology Park is most definitely located within Troy's city limits. I'm also confused as to where "5 miles South of Troy" comes from, since I'm right near the top of Congress, and from here to the Tech Park is less than 4 miles. Deputy Marshall 13:49, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Follow Up - MapInfo outside the City of Troy According to the following offical city map - http://www.troyny.gov/planning_zoning/troyzoningmap.pdf, the RPI Tech Park is south of the city limits of Troy. I would suggest rewording to say something like - MapInfo was founded in Troy, NY and is located in the region.

Further follow-up:
It does appear from the map to be South of the city limits. However, every indication from every source is that the Rensselaer Technology Park is located in the city of Troy. Its mailing address is 100 Jordan Road, Troy, NY according to both the Park itself and all information available about the Park. So despite what the map may appear to indicate, it is considered to be within Troy, New York. Additionally, all arguments that "One Global Vw" is simply a mailing address need know that Global View is actually within the Rensselaer Technology Park. Is there any way we could get absolute, concrete clarification? --Deputy Marshall 06:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Mapinfo is NOT in the city limits of Troy, NY; neither is the RPI Tech Park in which it sits. The tech park and Mapinfo are in the Town of North Greenbush, a separate political entity south of the city of Troy. Zip code boundaries are made by the USPS and not affiliated with political boundaries whatsoever, a Troy zipcode does not make a business a Troy business.

I agree with the unsigned comments immediately above. Besselfunctions 21:11, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Troy Trojans[edit]

Wasn't there a National League team called the Troy Trojans? Shouldn't we mention that? ςפקιДИτς 23:50, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

You might be thinking of the Troy Haymakers, who I've heard on numerous occassions are considered to be one of (if not THE) earliest professional baseball team in the US. And yes, they should get a mention. Anyone got any information? Deputy Marshall 03:30, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, I think that a team from Troy folded, and almost all of the players went to the new New York Giants, but I could be wrong. ςפקιДИτς 21:02, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Never mind. The players were split between the Giants and the crosstown Metropolitans of the American Association. When the Mets won the 1884 pennant, the best players on the team were moved to the Giants, who had the same ownership as the Mets. ςפקιДИτς 21:10, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

i might be mistaken but i swear i heard several times that troy is still an honorary MLB city because of its extremely early historical association with the sport. if someone could find some proof of this, either from the cooperstown hall of fame or elsewhere, i havent been able to find any.

I have added a paragraph which should meet the needs of the article.159.247.3.210 18:21, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Edits[edit]

I was wondering if more of the external links could be moved to that header and if there is duplication of map links? Stepp-Wulf 04:00, 11 October 2005 (UTC).

What external links do you mean? If it's something not directly related to Troy, and just there as a point of reference for something else, then I wouldn't think so. I looked it over and didn't see any duplication of map links, but I could be mistaken. Deputy Marshall 03:36, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Festivals and Other Annual Happenings?[edit]

Should there be a seperate section in the main article specifically highlighting festivals and other annual (or otherwise regular) events (The Riverfront Arts Fest, Riverfest, Flag Day Parade, Victorial Stroll, etcetera) in Troy?--Deputy Marshall 06:28, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

trivia[edit]

why no mention of the fact that the inventor of the ferris wheel lived in troy and got his inspiration from the burden waterwheel? the burden waterwheel was the largest waterwheel in the world at the time and had the same number of buckets as ferris' first ferris wheel. also troy is the first place in america to use the bessemer process of steel making, and even though many history books place the industrial revolution as beginning in lowell, ma it actually is considered to have started in rensselaer county (due to the forerunners of BASF having the first chemical and dye factory in the usa at rensselaer and the first steel manufacturing in troy) and im sure someone with more time could find lots of citations where people show this to be true.

Link[edit]

I thought this site was interesting (and has been removed and re-added a few times), but since we really aren't supposed to link to blogs on Wikipedia, I figured I'd just move it here. It seems non-commercial and informative...

CSZero 16:07, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

The House of the Good Shepherd[edit]

What happened to the House of the Good Shepherd (circa 1954), where was it located and what hospital did the residents use for birthing? TY! Blkmjkwmn 12:13, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Added Education Section[edit]

Might add summaries for each school later, but links should suffice for now. Should the 10+ elementary schools in troy be added (2, 12, 14, 16, 18, Carol Hill, Turnpike, the other one in 'burgh, and several catholic ones...)?Jim (talk) 01:12, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

motto translation[edit]

I think the translation of the motto, fuit Ilium, Troia est, as "As it was Troy is", may be incorrect. It's been a while but that looks to me more like, "Ilium has been, Troy now is", where Ilium was an older name for Troy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.241.240.30 (talk) 21:28, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Nightlife section removed[edit]

I removed the Nightlife section, which you can see here. While I personally agree with most everything written in the section, it is an obvious violation of WP:NOTGUIDE. Should you disagree, please offer a non-biased rewrite below. No specific place of business deserves more than one or two sentences a piece to uphold WP:NPOV and more than three business should be mentioned (i.e. all or none). Consensus should be met before it is added again to the article. ~ Wadester16 (talk) 23:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

You were absolutely right to do so. Our city articles have a tendency to draw such sections-- they'd be great if this was a travel magazine, but it's an encyclopedia. "The Ruck carries your typical alcoholic beverages, and has its own signature drink called "The Bundy" which is a mixed drink" (random sample). Encyclopedic it ain't. -- Mwanner | Talk 01:42, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I completely agree that the particular Nightlife section you removed deserved to be removed and was blatant advertising. I do believe that a nightlife section does merit being there. Perhaps any intentional government intervention to revive downtown through bars and such. What I think is a good nightlife section can be found at the Albany, New York article. No particular bars are mentioned, only neighborhoods (Center Square, Downtown) and streets, the focus of the city gov't to bring people back to the city after 5pm, concerts in the park and at the Plaza. I recognize that this is not a guide, but at the same time most city articles do have a festival section along with info about parks, museums, etc not to be found in most encyclopedia. That's just my five-cents (I charge more for my opinion than the standard two cents, inflation you know).Camelbinky (talk) 23:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Geobox[edit]

The geobox|settlement should be changed to infobox settlement. I can do the change myself in due time or someone else can. But it should be changed.Camelbinky (talk) 21:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I recind my suggestion, not because I have changed my opinion, but because I personally believe others may challenge it. Since I believe all Capital District municipal articles should be consistent with each other, I'll go and change Albany, New York and the all the others that use infoboxes to this geobox. I personally think infoboxes are superior and will be joining the infobox wikiproject to learn more and I'd even like to get some other Capital District wikiproject members involved with me to create an infobox specifically for Capital District municipalities.Camelbinky (talk) 05:16, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I converted to the geobox because it is a superior format that allows for more info, presented in a more flexible and readable manner. I try to use them wherever possible. Daniel Case (talk) 15:30, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
To explain one reason why it's superior: the locator technology in the geobox maps does away with having to create a separate pushpin map for every community.

There's no reason to create a separate infobox for CD municipailities, or any municipalities anywhere ... the geobox fields, properly used, are meant to accomodate any information specific to an area. Daniel Case (talk) 15:36, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for giving an example as to why you believe it to be superior. I looked at Template:Infobox Settlement and did not see any differences but I didnt know about the pushpin map problem, thank you for taking the time to teach me something new.Camelbinky (talk) 15:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Citations for geographic trivia[edit]

Does anyone know of a citation for Monument Square being listed in the infobox as the "center", seems a little west to be the center of the city, though maybe it is on the center line dividing north-south. Though I've never understood that part of a geobox, what is the point of "center" and by who's definition? Also, does anyone have a reference for Troy's lowest point as being sea-level, I'm not so sure the Hudson is at sealevel north of the Port of Albany, though being a tidal estuary it is possible that makes whereever the Hudson River level is at then technically "sealevel", but when researching the Port of Albany-Rensselaer I thought I read that the port was the northern most sealevel point on the Hudson, but I could be mistaken or the source was wrong (alot of sources online out there are).Camelbinky (talk) 20:26, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Sources to use for potential rewrite[edit]

Posted by upstateNYer 01:26, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Incorporation Date[edit]

This city has two different incorporation dates (1796 in top section, 1793 in infobox) as a village, and the Fire Department section suggests yet another date. What is the correct date as a village? NewYorkeruser (talk) 04:31, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Unsourced demographics[edit]

I have removed unsourced demographics data. An IP restored the material demanding that I find a source for it. That is backwards. "The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material." WP:V

So why am I removing so much info? If you look back through the history of the article, you will see that the numbers have been changed repeatedly, often substantially by a SPA without explanation. The editor has been making similar changes in a raft of other articles.

For example, with this edit we have a substantial change to the 2010 census figures. Were the unsourced figures correct and being made incorrect or incorrect and being corrected? Here's a large shift in the poverty rate. Which is correct, if either, the before or after? And a tweek. Mexican or Puerto Rican?

The editor doesn't use edit summaries, doesn't cite sources and ignores talk page requests. There are two distinct possibilities that I can see. The editor has found a rich vein of vandalism throughout our town articles' demographics and is working diligently, if sporadically, to correct it or the editor is a vandal working diligently, if sporadically, to vandalize our town articles' demographics. Until such time as the editor explains what the hell they are doing and decides to comply with our core policies, I am removing unsourced material in affected sections and giving the editor escalating warnings, working toward them responding or being blocked.

If you would like to suss out which of the two scenarios I've outlined applies and either:

  • congratulate the diligent but unresponsive editor who needs to learn to collaborate - OR -
  • block the vandal who needs to go away

have at it. Otherwise, you, brand new IP editor who has arrived to address this one issue, should not add or restore unsourced material. Thanks. - SummerPhD (talk) 18:47, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

I see a lack of AGF. Why should I respond to someone who has shown no common sense or collaborative effort at improving this article (which he incorrectly labels as a town, he/she is aware that Troy is a City (New York) right?) If he is truly worried about improving the article, should he/she not go and look up the proper sourcing? Or is it simply this editor is an obstructionist who would rather remove unsourced material and put the burden on other editors to clean up the mess he/she makes? Well, in many noticeboards and policy/guideline talk pages we have been through the issue of "burden" and it is not as clean cut as this editor is making it seem, and shows the editor's lack of an ability to truly work with others to improve articles. Oh, and I don't give a shit what this editor wants or says about me, so he/she can fuck off my talk page.24.217.11.77 (talk) 13:40, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
The original material or the material that replaced it was vandalism or incompetence. I assume the other was added in good faith.
I did not call a Troy a "city", "town", "village" or "crossroads". Someone, however, has been vandalizing numerous town articles. I removed the affected material here.
Yes, burden is that cut and dry. "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and is satisfied by providing a citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution." The bolding is in the original, in Wikipedia:Verifiability, one of our five core policies. If you would like to restore either version of the material, please provide a source.
I don't know how to "fuck off (a) talk page". As an unregistered editor, however, you can reasonably expect to receive escalating notices of problematic edits. This is intended to help new editors learn our policies/guidelines as well as establishing accountability. In case your intention was that I "(stay the) fuck off " your talk page, I will only contact you, if necessary, with standard template messages. - SummerPhD (talk) 23:15, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Burden is not so clean cut and dry. You need to take time and FIX articles and not just go around on some sort of vandalism patrol vendetta. You aren't helping articles. You're doing the bare minimum work to look like you're "improving". While combating vandalism is a noble effort, it is only ONE step in contributing. You need to start doing research and adding material. Plus it helps if you have some familiarity with the article subject you are trying to help. I have a feeling the reason you only are removing vandalism and not doing research is that you are unfamiliar with this topic. That is problematic and disturbing.24.217.11.77 (talk) 14:40, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
I have directly quoted our policy, if you believe it says otherwise, I can't help you.
Your "contribution" here has been limited to complaining about me and blindly restoring unsourced material that was, as likely as not, vandalism. Thank you for your contribution. - SummerPhD (talk) 16:31, 5 July 2014 (UTC)