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Poor English ...[edit]

... and poor editing throughout. We even get Gesner in one place and Gessner in another. Can someone tidy up this utter mess? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.211.178 (talk) 14:56, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Tulips[edit]

What is some information on the Black Tulip? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.176.182.29 (talkcontribs) 09:43, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

How do you fuse tulip bulbs?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.53.225.97 (talkcontribs) 19:26, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Where is the author and publisher (& date)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.129.36.60 (User talk:24.129.36.60) 01:42, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

most young children like tulips and think of them most often when they hear the word flower. the next flower that comes to a childs mind is the rose and many other flowers but tulips are most often thought of in young childrens minds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.8.238.50 (talk) 15:30, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

This page is in need of major editing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.162.4.43 (talk) 01:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Mixed Sentences[edit]

A Dutch ambassador in Turkey in the 16th century, who was also a great floral enthusiast, Ogier Ghiselin de Busbecq, got their very names because of their Persian origins.

Obviously, two sentences have been accidentally mixed here. Kostaki mou (talk) 01:46, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Image needs replacement[edit]

Hello all...

An image used in the article, specifically Image:2005-04-08.FH-616.Tulip.jpg in the gallery, has a little bit of a licensing issue. The image was uploaded back when the rules around image uploading were less restrictive. It is presumed that the uploader was willing to license the picture under the GFDL license but was not clear in that regard. As such, the image, while not at risk of deletion, is likely not clearly licensed to allow for free use in any future use of this article. If anyone has an image that can replace this, or can go take one and upload it, it would be best.

You have your mission, take your camera and start clicking.--Jordan 1972 (talk) 00:33, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikiproject Holland?[edit]

It was already stated in article, that tulips are from Middle east, and are associated with Holland by mistake in... Please, remove that one wikiproject stamp. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.99.16.222 (talkcontribs) 11:11, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Origin of the name[edit]

The names doesn't find his origin in the Ottoman language, but in the Persian language. It derives from the word Persian word dulband. Any claims of Turkish or Ottoman origin is false!

Etymology: any of various plants belonging to the genus Tulipa. from French tulipe, from Persian dulband.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_Persian_origin#T —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.215.17.254 (talk) 15:57, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks very much for discussing your changes to the article. (I wish more editors would bother.) You're both right and wrong. It was ultimately derived from the Persian, but it came through both Turkish and French before it entered English. Some dictionaries (e.g., Merriam-Webster and Random House) don't go into sufficient detail to include the ultimate origin and require one to look up turban to find the Persian part. In their defense, the word appears to have been applied to the flower for the first time by the Ottomans; dulband was strictly the headwear. (American Heritage and Oxford American make this clear in one entry.) So, like many words in the English language, tulip has a complex history. The Turkish part was most critical because that's where the meaning shifted. That should be reflected in the article, and I'll see what I can do. (I see you also removed the part about the flower's supposed origins in the Ottoman Empire. That was poorly worded and should have specified the commercially cultivated flower. I'll see if I can fix that, too.) Rivertorch (talk) 17:14, 27 January 2010 (UTC) Update: I made some changes. The section (and, in fact, the article) could use some more work, but I hope to have forestalled any Persian-Ottoman back-and-forthing by describing the etymology more fully, anyway. I also changed the wording to mention continents, not countries, since the range is so wide. Rivertorch (talk) 17:48, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Props on Kazakhstan photo[edit]

Just wanted to say what a gorgeous photo of the wild tulip. Amazing how much it has changed due to breeding.Peeweebee (talk) 20:05, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Unclear Statements[edit]

I've been working on the tulip article recently, and I've come across several statements that for one reason or another seem unclear. I can try to resolve some of them myself, but if anyone has access to a good source, I thought I might point them out.
In the introductory section, does "northeast of China" refer to the northeastern part of China, or northeast from China?
In the first two paragraphs of the description section, many very technical terms are used, and I couldn't find clear definitions for some of them from a dictionary or Wikipedia.
There are also some sentences in the third paragraph of the same section that seem to contradict each other.
In the section about the tulip's introduction to Europe, the description of Sampaio's role in India is confusing. I'm not sure if he was actually a governor or just a usurper. It's possible that it's irrelevant to the article though and we can just remove that statement.
Finally, what full name is normally used for the poet Saadi? Is he always referred to as just Saadi, or is one part of his name normally preferred? Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:54, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I have one potential book source and will try to take a look over the next several days. You might consider tagging unclear statements—e.g. {{vague}}—and then deleting those that are seriously detrimental to the article if no one clarifies them in a reasonable period of time. The article has had some long-term problems and has been on my to-do list for a thorough copyedit for over a year. I do think your recent changes have improved matters. Rivertorch (talk) 05:16, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
I marked the sentences with "clarify" tags and the technical language with "elucidate" tags (not sure if that's actually the appropriate template). Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:04, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Talk page format[edit]

I also wanted to ask if anyone would mind me re-organizing the talk page. I wouldn't be deleting anything, and this talk page is small so I shouldn't have to archive or split any threads into separate sections. If anyone's unsure about how it might turn out, you can see some changes I made to the Shang Dynasty talk page to get an idea of how I might do it. Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:03, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

If it ain't broke... Rivertorch (talk) 05:17, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Good point. If the formatting towards the top isn't bothering anyone, I'll let it be. Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:04, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

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Additions to the Horticultural Classification[edit]

First time additions to Wikipedia here, I have information on some of the Horticultural classifications Div. 11 - Double Late Div. 12 - Kaufmanniana and Div. 14 - Greigii.

: Double Late - Large, heavy blooms. They range from 18-22 in. tall; flowers may be damaged by rain or wind in exposed locations. 
: Greigii - Scarlet flowers 6 in. across, on 10 in. stems. Foliage mottled with brown. Early flowering.
: Kaufmanniana - Waterlily tulip. Medium-large creamy yellow flowers marked red on the outside and yellow at the center. Stems 6 in. tall. Very early bloom. Permanent gardens.  

Citations The Western Garden Book (in English) (Third Addition ed.). Menlo Park, Ca: Lane Magazine & Book Company. June 1972. p. 448. 

Uxbz44 (talk) 03:47, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Feel free to add this information to the article itself. Note that you must not use the exact wording in the source, but must paraphrase and add only the information. Peter coxhead (talk) 13:03, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Copyright problem[edit]

The paragraph, "In Persia, to give a red tulip was to declare your love. The black center of the red tulip was said to represent the lover's heart, burned to a coal by love's passion. To give a yellow tulip was to declare your love hopelessly and utterly.[9]" is unfortunately taken verbatim from the referenced source. It needs to be rewritten from scratch. Invertzoo (talk) 02:25, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Lopo Vaz de Sampaio[edit]

The paragraph on the introduction of tulips by Lopo Vaz de Sampaio is without source and obviously wrong, because of a lack of tulips in India. Any arguemnts against deleting it? Hellebore3 (talk) 21:23, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

None that I can see. Unreferenced, challenged material can always be deleted. Peter coxhead (talk) 18:24, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

think of the children[edit]

I came to this page wanting to learn about Dutch Tulips and was absolutely shocked to see the vile pornography on display. There's not one but two completely unnecessary pictures of tulip genitalia, including an extreme closeup of an erect tulip penis stamen covered with ejaculate pollen! Imagine the damage these images are causing to the innocent children who view this page! I know some people are going to whine about how Wikipedia is NOTCENSORED but this isn't about censorship; it's about basic botanical decency. At the very least, can't the pornographic images be replaced with diagrams? They would have greater pedagogical value without being so vulgar. And can the stamen picture at least be moved to the bottom of the page? 24.19.238.217 (talk) 05:24, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Plants don't have penises nor ejaculate, so one can only assume this post is a joke. And if it's not a joke, the poster should ask themselves why, when looking at botanical images, they visualise them in terms of human sexuality. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 08:32, 8 July 2014 (UTC)