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Meaning of "Tungu"[edit]

"It has also been suggested that the word derives from "tungus" which means pig."

"Pig" in what language? Would the "civilized" Chinese or the contrasted Mongolian nomads refer to these people as "pigs" or would the Tunguz simply refer to themselves as this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.203.140.113 (talk) 19:39, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

memidex.com Tungus: Russian, from East Turkic tunguz, wild pig, boar, from Old Turkic tonguz. (American Heritage Dictionary); School on the “move”: In different sources Tungus...have been suggested that it originated from the Yakut word “toηus” i.e. “pig. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.160.7.158 (talk) 08:05, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Tunguses[edit]

If I understand right, ALL Tungusic peoples are considered Tunguses. It's rather confusing that the term Tunguses would have once been applied specifically to the Evenks, since they are just one of various Tungusic peoples. Gringo300 03:28, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, unfortunately, you have not "understood right." Tungus is originally an exonym for the Evenks, and not a general term for referring collectively to all ethnic groups whose traditional languages are classified by linguists as Tungusic.
Be careful to remember that, as an ethnonym, Tungus refers exclusively to Evenks (and also some other small groups that are closely related to Evenks and sometimes considered as subgroups of Evenks, such as Evens and Negidals). Ebizur (talk) 01:18, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Koreans[edit]

Why are Koreans considered Tungusic? Is there language not a language isolate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.158.76.212 (talk) 19:23, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Did they conquer china or were they conquered BY china? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Purbanski (talkcontribs) 17:05, 5 July 2012 (UTC) Answer, conquered china.. Well the manchus did.

Neologism?[edit]

I've tagged this article because I think the term "Tungusic peoples" might be a neologism. There is a tendency on Wikipedia - either out of convenience or racist pan-nationalism - to try to put all ethnic groups on a phylogenetic tree based on language family, on the faulty premise that population groups correspond well with languages over time and space. On the various peoples who speak languages that are classified as Tungusic, I refer to the Polish anthropologist Maria Czaplicka:

The term Tungus is merely a linguistic one, like, for instance, the term Bantu, and within its range, so far as it is known, have been found various physical types and various cultures. There exists in ethnological literature such divisions as Dog-Tungus, Horse-Tungus, Reindeer-Tungus, i.e. according to the domestic animals they possess; or again, we can find terms sucha s Forest-Tungus, or Tundra-Tungus, for lack of better ones. In Russian scientific literature there lately appeared a division into Northern and Southern Tungus, which was said to be based on physical type but as there was not sufficient material speculation, it seems very superficial. Although we shall continue to use the term Northern Tungus, it will only refer to their geographical position, otherwise, since "Tungus race" is a linguistic term, I propose to use also a linguistic classification.

Shrigley (talk) 23:25, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I've been wondering the same, but have found a few sources. It has been used to refer to people since 1612, although which groups are included under the umbrella has changed over time. I'll have a first go at improving it. Oncenawhile (talk) 09:41, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
Regardless of whether it is "ethnographically correct" or not, the term "Tungusic people" is certainly not a neologism by any measure. A Google Books search shows it appear in many works both on Siberia and on China. Even if it is merely a shorthand for "the peoples who now speak Tungusic languages", it is used, among others, by such well-known authors as the linguist Bernard Comrie, the Manchu expert Pamela Kyle Crossley, and the authors of the Cambridge History of China. -- Vmenkov (talk) 16:51, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
I wonder what "sufficient material speculation" means. —Tamfang (talk) 23:28, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Unter Tungusen und Jakuten : Erlebnisse und Ergebnisse der Olenék-Expedition der Kaiserlich russischen geographischen Gesellschaft in St. Petersburg (1882)[edit]

Unter Tungusen und Jakuten : Erlebnisse und Ergebnisse der Olenék-Expedition der Kaiserlich russischen geographischen Gesellschaft in St. Petersburg (1882)

https://archive.org/details/untertungusenun00mlgoog

Rajmaan (talk) 03:49, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

House[edit]

Do they live in yurt? Planke (talk) 14:37, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Smallpox among the Tungus Peoples: The Language of a Disease[edit]

Smallpox among the Tungus Peoples: The Language of a Disease Ruth I. Meserve Central Asiatic Journal Vol. 50, No. 1 (2006), pp. 75-100 Published by: Harrassowitz Verlag Article Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/41928411

Rajmaan (talk) 23:31, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Tungusic states[edit]

Are there were any other Tungusic states except Jin dynasty, Manchu state, Qing dynasty and Manchukuo? Dersere (talk) 16:00, 22 September 2014 (UTC)