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Serious pro turkish whitewashing[edit]

According to reliable sources like "Disaster in Korea: The Chinese Confront MacArthur" By Roy E. Appleman, the turkish brigade's performance against Chinese forces were atrocious. The turks actually slaughtered and captured a band of several hundred south korean soldiers whom they mistook for chinese a few miles away from wawon, the battle was falsely reported in the western press as a turkish victory.

The chinese inflicted decisive defeats upon turks around wawon and sinnim-ni and on the road towards tokchon. The article as it stands now, is nothing more than turkish nationalist propaganda.

Title Disaster in Korea: The Chinese Confront MacArthur Texas Aamp;m University Military History Series Williams-Ford Texas a&M University Military History Series Author Roy E. Appleman Edition illustrated Publisher Texas A&M University Press, 2009 ISBN 160344128X, 9781603441285 Length 476 pages


http://books.google.com/books?id=k8d2YX43hMoC&pg=PA89&dq=disaster+in+korea+appleman+erroneous+turks+rok+wawon&hl=en&sa=X&ei=NImhUN7qPMLl0gGrmIGwDw&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=k8d2YX43hMoC&pg=PA89&dq=disaster+in+korea+appleman+chinese+turks+decisive+defeat&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZImhUMKvGbGu0AG564C4DA&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=k8d2YX43hMoC&pg=PA90#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=k8d2YX43hMoC&pg=PA206&dq=disaster+in+korea+appleman+turks+ineffective&hl=en&sa=X&ei=y4mhUI3AL6rh0wHy6IGQDg&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=k8d2YX43hMoC&pg=PA190&dq=disaster+in+korea+appleman+deal+ccf+threat+quarter+chinese+forces+defeated+turks+road+tokchon&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_YmhUKvBD9CM0QH2rIGQDw&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=k8d2YX43hMoC&dq=disaster+in+korea+appleman&q=Turks+rok#v=onepage&q=Erroneous%20Turks%20rok%20%20wawon&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=k8d2YX43hMoC&dq=disaster+in+korea+appleman&q=Chinese+turks+decisive+defeat#v=snippet&q=Chinese%20turks%20decisive%20defeat&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=k8d2YX43hMoC&dq=disaster+in+korea+appleman&q=Turks+ineffective#v=snippet&q=Turks%20ineffective&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=k8d2YX43hMoC&dq=disaster+in+korea+appleman&q=Turks#v=snippet&q=Deal%20Ccf%20Threat%20Quarter%20Chinese%20forces%20defeated%20turks%20road%20tokchon&f=false

http://www.doureios.com/magazine/TurksInKorea.html

18:30, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Please feel free to add relevant information as long as you reference it. Thanks for the links, by the way. --Kansas Bear (talk) 05:22, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

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Title Conflict: The History of the Korean War, 1950-53 Author Robert Leckie Edition illustrated, reprint Publisher Da Capo Press, 1996 ISBN 0306807165, 9780306807169

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Title The Forgotten War: America in Korea, 1950-1953 Author Clay Blair Edition illustrated, reprint Publisher Naval Institute Press, 2003 Original from Indiana University Digitized Nov 7, 2008 ISBN 1591140757, 9781591140757

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Rajmaan (talk) 05:09, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

http://www.warhistoryonline.com/articles/turks-korea-creating-myth-part-1.html

http://www.warhistoryonline.com/articles/turks-korea-creating-myth-part-2.html

fr:Raymond Cartier

HISTOIRE MONDIALE DE L APRES GUERRE 1945 - 1953 ----

Paris Match

http://www.abebooks.co.uk/book-search/title/histoire-mondiale-de-l-apres-guerre-1945-1953/author/raymond-cartier/page-1/

http://www.worldcat.org/title/histoire-mondiale-de-lapres-guerre-1-1945-1953/oclc/489707840

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http://www.worldcat.org/title/histoire-mondiale-de-lapres-guerre/oclc/635639404

http://www.amazon.com/Histoire-mondiale-laprès-premier-1945-1953/dp/B005JDF7OW

http://www.amazon.ca/Histoire-mondiale-laprès-premier-1945-1953/dp/B005JDF7OW

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Source states something else[edit]

According to this source page 438, Freeman was given authority to leave his position. Although, the following sentence does state the authorization was controversial.
In the article it states, "..., who was later accused of fleeing from Kunu-ri with his US 23rd Infantry Regiment and exposed the rear of US 2nd Infantry Division to Chinese attacks.." citing page 271, which neither states he was fleeing or was accused of fleeing. He was condemned for not following the 2nd Division down the Sunchon road as its rear guard(page 271), to state he was "fleeing" is original research.
Instead, the sentence should state, ", who contentiously withdrew his US 23rd Infantry Regiment from Kunu-ri,(page 438) and exposed the rear of US 2nd Infantry Division to Chinese attacks". --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:30, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Did Freeman withdrew after the Chinese attacked? Yes. Did Freeman withdrew away without US 2nd Infantry Division's permission? Yes (page 268-269). Does the English definition of fleeing means "run away from a place or situation of danger"? Yes. Did Freeman action is noticeable enough to cause a controversy? Yes. I don't see where "fleeing" count as original research here.
Furthermore, when Freeman ran and exposed a huge chunk of US 2nd Infantry Division to Chinese attacks and resulted in huge losses, while at the same time accusing Turkish Brigade's doing the same, don't you think the weight of his opinion in this article should be reassessed? Jim101 (talk) 03:38, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Withdrew? That is a given. However, "fleeing" gives a completely different impression, which is clearly contradicted by page 438, "One such error is his[S.L.A. Marshall] statement that General Keiser, commander of the 2nd Infantry Divison, gave Colonel Freeman of the 23rd Infantry Regiment the authority to leave his station as rear guard of the withdrawing division at Kunu-ri and take the Anju road out of the battle area. General Keiser did not give Freeman that authority, it was given by the assistant division commander, Maj. Gen. Joseph S. Bradley, as the latter has stated in a letter to me that describe the event.". "Fleeing" gives the impression Freeman withdrew without orders or authorization. Furthermore, page 271 neither mentions "fleeing" nor Freeman being accused of "fleeing", both of which are original research, since "fleeing" is your interpretation of the source. Freeman withdrew under authorization, although clearly his withdrawal "exposed the rear of US 2nd Infantry Division to Chinese attacks".
"when Freeman ran...". Odd, after reading the source, I do not get the impression "Freeman ran". "The withdrawing 23rd Infantry had no trouble on the Anju road. After about eight miles, the head of the column came to the 5th RCT, 24th Division, blocking positions at the Chongchon River bridge crossings, five miles east of Anju. On the way, it ran into stragglers from many UN units-Turks and American soldiers." Even page 271 calls it "withdrawing", have you even read the source? Simply because you don't like Freeman's statement about Turks is no excuse for original research. --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:43, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
My WP:NPOV point still stands. Freeman's action was controversial in the battle and has been interpreted as derelict of duty by some, hence his evaluation of Turkish brigade's performance as poor in the same battle must be framed in this context. Jim101 (talk) 12:18, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
"interpretated as derelict of duty". By whom? Where does it state this? He was condemned for not following the 2nd division down Sunchon road. But I see no mention of dereliction of duty. Your interpretation of "NPOV" is to libel Freeman for making a derogatory statement about the Turkish brigade. My original research point still stands. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:26, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Now that we have exchanged pleasantries, the sentence in question:
"American commanding officer Paul Freeman, who contentiously withdrew his US 23rd Infantry Regiment from Kunu-ri and exposed the rear of US 2nd Infantry Division to Chinese attacks, said that the Turks had a "look at the situation," "and they had no stomach for it, and they were running in all directions."
"American Colonel Paul Freeman, said that the Turks had a "look at the situation," "and they had no stomach for it, and they were running in all directions, and yet he had contentiously withdrew his own regiment, thereby exposing the rear of the US 2nd Infantry Division to Chinese attack."
Thoughts? I would prefer to summarize "the Turks had a "look at the situation," "and they had no stomach for it, and they were running in all directions" part, but nothing has come to mind yet. --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:15, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Well, the above statement is technically a WP:COAT, but it is the only way to solve a thorny WP:NPOV problem since WP:UNDUE does not apply here. I want no part of this and I give up on fixing this article. Jim101 (talk) 02:39, 21 April 2015 (UTC)