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Old talk[edit]

Matt Groening was involved in a travelling show called Art of the Nomads which featured pieces from Tuva; all because of Richard Feynman's mention of throat-singing.

Cyrillicization?[edit]

If the current official spelling is Тува, does this make Тыва obsolete? Is the former used by Russians and the latter by Tuvans, or perhaps the new spelling hasn't caught on in general use? I only ask in the interest of consistency, in case this has changed the coat of arms or warrants any other changes to the article. Lusanaherandraton 7 July 2005 14:45 (UTC)

Current official spelling is Тыва (Tyva). Wikipedia uses "Tuva" as it is still more common than "Tyva" (as per "use the most common name" policy). The coat of arms is correct.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) July 7, 2005 21:44 (UTC)

Timezone[edit]

Can someone verify the timezone. Many sources say Tuva is +7/+8 UTC --Chochopk 11:37, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this up—you are right. I am ashamed to admit that when I copied a nice color map of Russian time zones (in black & white), the shades of gray of the two zones looked very similar, so I misidentified them. I probably should take a look at the rest of the federal subjects to make sure time zones are right. If you see something wrong elsewhere, please let me know (or post a note here again).—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 12:24, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

Feynman[edit]

Isn't it pertinent to add Richard Feynman's interest in Tuva (and the fallout of it) to the article?

- shash 08:12, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Official name[edit]

Surely the official name of the republic would in English be the Republic of Tuva? Andelarion 14:50, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

One would think that; however, it is not: see Columbia entry (Britannica and Encarta's entries both titled simply "Tuva"). "Republic of Tuva" returns more hits that "Tuva Republic" in google, but the difference is not really substantial.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) 15:46, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Uh, Tuvinia? --Stacey Doljack Borsody 16:03, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


If, according to the article, "[s]ince 1993, the republic's official name is Tyva Republic", should this article be renamed Tyva Republic...?  Regards, David Kernow 18:12, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

It was decided in the past that despite the renaming, "Tuva" is still more common in English than "Tyva" (Wikipedia's policies prescribe using the "most common English name"). The reasoning (but not the circumstances) is somewhat similar to that behind the "Kiev" vs. "Kyiv" issue (also here). You are, however, welcome to propose the renaming again—unlike with Kiev, the topic is rather obscure, and there was not much opposition last time anyway. I would support the renaming, by the way.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:20, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your speedy response, Ëzhiki; in view of it, I've rephrased the last sentence in the opening paragraph for the sake of any similarly intrigued passers-by. Hope it reads satisfactorily. (As you hint, I suppose this – and probably even more so "Kiev" vs "Kyiv" – are examples of the tightrope Wikipedia may sometimes tread between leading with an officially-correct but relatively unknown information or following with out-of-date but more commonly-known information...)  Best wishes, David 05:05, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Closed[edit]

This article should mention the fact that Tuva was essentially closed to foreigners for decades, before Richard Feynman and Ralph Leighton got permission to go in the 1980s. Badagnani 01:32, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Politics[edit]

There were legislative changes in Russia that lead to direct gubernatorial elections being cancelled a few years ago (was it 1999?). The Russian President now nominates candidates and the legislatures of the republics, etc. either confirm or reject the candidate. This isn't unique to Tuva nor is it new so the appointment of Sholban Kara-ool is not as shocking as it is being made out to be. The issue belongs more in the Politics of Russia article than here. What could be expanded in the article here is more about the Tuvan constitution and how the original 1993 constitution conflicted in places with the Russian Federation constitution and how the Tuvans have been trying to fix that since then. See http://en.tuvaonline.ru/2007/05/06/constitution-day.html and http://www.jamestown.org/publications_details.php?volume_id=3&issue_id=174&article_id=2078 --Stacey Doljack Borsody 16:27, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Merge?[edit]

Should this article be merged with Tuvinian People's Republic? Jeff Knaggs 21:25, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

No. It is a common practice to keep articles on former states/subnational units separate from modern entities. Besides, since both articles are of decent length, it is even harder to justify such a merge.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 21:33, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Correct name of the TAR[edit]

Please participate at Talk:Tuvinian People's Republic. — AjaxSmack 07:59, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Based on discussion there, the issue is now formulated as a move request. — AjaxSmack 00:17, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Climate[edit]

In section Climate:Average annual precipitation: 150 mm (10 in) (plains) to 1,000 mm (40 in) (mountains) I have no objection to mountain figures, but obviously something is wrong with the figures about the plains. 150 mm is equal to 6 inches or conversely, 10 inches is equal to 250 mm. I don't know which is the correct figure; 150 mm or 250 mm. I hope somebody comes with the correct figure. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 19:35, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

10 inches were due to the precision set to -1 in the conversion template (which effectively rounded 6 inches up to 10). Thanks for the catch!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:32, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Extra white space[edit]

I added in a few fotos from Commons -- more where these came from -- but got a buch of extra white space. Must be a "clear" there somewhere, but I don't see it. Help? TIA, Pete Tillman (talk) 18:26, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

The "clear" was in the time zone section, which I have removed because this information is already contained in the infobox. That said, I think you got a bit carried away with adding images :) Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 18, 2011; 15:05 (UTC)
Thanks for the fix! --Pete Tillman (talk) 18:25, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

The Republic of Tuva (not Tuva Republic)[edit]

Learn English grammar, dear comrade. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.106.106.55 (talk) 23:58, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Actually, both are correct (see, for example, this).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 6, 2013; 12:12 (UTC)

Homicide rate[edit]

With a 2010 homicide rate of 53.9 (90 in 2005), Tuva has one of the highest murder rates in the world. Why is this? Can someone add a "crime" section or at least mention why this rate is so high in the "culture" section? Thank you! 75.95.245.49 (talk) 20:37, 28 June 2013 (UTC)