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- 1 List of URL Shorteners?
- 2 First was not TinyURL
- 3 List of providers
- 4 Recent promotional addition to the example list
- 5 History
- 6 Custom URL Shortening Software
- 7 Tweak.tk
- 8 NanoURL .TO
- 9 Mail shortening
- 10 Bad links
- 11 Two goo.gl links in description?
- 12 Copyedited
- 13 What about adfly.com, cloackedlink.com, etc. ?
- 14 Earlier example
- 15 URL corruption
- 16 Other features. And feature comparison of URL shorteners.
List of URL Shorteners?
First was not TinyURL
Although this page asserts that "The first and most notable URL shortening service is TinyURL, launched in 2002.", it's not entirely true. It may be the most notable, but it certainly wasn't the first if it launched in 2002. I have an email from 2001:
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:04:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200107101604.f6AG47q13115@bn2b.bn2b.com> From: Giles Turnbull <giles@...> To: matt@... Subject: gorjuss [July 10] Here's a really special gorjuss announcement. But there's a story behind it. You might remember, many times in the past, that I posted links in gorjuss that were way too long to make any sense to a mail client. Links like this: http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?sid=80838120010529173517&prodID=15635 Or this one, which is even worse: http://people.ft.com/ft/gx.cgi/ftc?pagename=View&c=Article&cid=FT3MWYZMOOC&live=true&tagid=ZZZO3JBTM0C&useoverridetemplate=ZZZY28CVM0C Now when that appears in most people's mail readers (including mine) links like these break at the 70th char or so and get continued on the next line. The link is too long for the mail reader to display it as something clickable, so it gets broken, and the whole point of passing links on to people via plain-text email gets mangled up. As the owner of a mailing list that does just that (this very one, in fact) I frequently got annoyed when I found something gorjuss but couldn't post it because the URL was just too darned long. Of course I *could* make a re-direct page for each long link. I used to do that, in fact, every now and again. But wouldn't it be nice if there was an *easier* way of doing it than typing the HTML and FTPing it to the server? So I had an idea: a site that makes shorter links for me, instantly and on the fly? Hey, not just for me - for *anybody*! Wouldn't that be ace? I mentioned this to my friends and one of them, the beyond-superlatives and very wonderful Matthew Hunt, agreed to write the code to make such a site happen. So here it is. It's a Useful Production (*branding*, baby!). It's utterly, utterly gorjuss. And it's called Make A Shorter Link. http://make a shorter link.com/ So, for example. That Palmgear URL above can be reached by clicking on: http://make a shorter link.com/index.php?U2205200 [...]
The URL has been broken up above as Wikipedia seem to have seen fit to blacklist it. No doubt they have their reasons.
Also see: http://www.metafilter.com/8916/
--- Addition Monday 7th March, 2011 by TwoRoos.com.au
I would like to add to this - I started a website called tworoos.com.au back in November 1998 that offered free url redirect services based on the au2.com domain name and my services have been running ever since. At the time I started, one of the major url redirect services was cjb.net - cjb had been in full swing for some time when I started and we both well predate tinyurl which started way later. There were also serveral other url redirection services in the late 90's but they unfortunately escape me. I hope someone can use this information to update the entry appropriately as each time I attempt to update it, it is interpreted as spam and reverted back.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 10:44, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
- Well, it was once reverted as spam, the other times I reverted it as unreferenced. Please provide proper, independent, and reliable references for the info, and then it could have a go. Thanks. --Dirk Beetstra T C 11:03, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
--- Addition Monday 8th March, 2011 by TwoRoos.com.au
Well this is a little crazy as it's my website so I know when I started. If you visit my website - tworoos.com.au - you will see the history there in the news section (as crude as it is). Also you can check the whois record for the au2.com domain name upon which my url redirection is based and it is as follows "Record created on 17-Nov-1998" and shows "TwoRoos" as the registrant. Now as far as cjb.net goes, I have no factual information on that other than I know they were there as they gave me the idea for my url redirection service in the first place. In fact. cjb.net was quite large at the time (1998) and had been already establish for sufficient time then that they already were selling cjb.net merchandise.
As this is my first exposure to updating wikipedia, I find it strange that someone with knowledge on the subject can not correct miss-information as you need "proof". I understand why, but sometimes it's hard to provide such proof especially some 12-13 years later. This disheartens me as now I can see wikipedia as a source of miss-information rather than knowledge.
Anyway - a quick visit to my website and a look at the whois listing for au2.com hopefully will be sufficient for you to trust the foundation of the information I am putting forward.
Further to this - there were a handful of other url redirect services already in service in 1998 so at a MINIMUM I should expect you correct the crazy statement that url shortening started around 2002 with tinyurl - tinyurl was in fact way down the track as far as the true history goes.
List of providers
The reference to mashable's provider listing is pretty outdated - here's a updated [list of url shorteners] which is also beeing maintained (but remarks in german though). would it match the weblink criteria? Hjacob (talk) 12:29, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Recent promotional addition to the example list
For eight days now, anonymous or new users have tried to insert mentions of a certain new URL shortening service into this Wikipedia article. The promotional intent is obvious from this edit (Oct 21st):
- On October 10th, 2009 a new URL shortening service opened up called dalt.in. It's basic, friendly, and simple interface is what has caught the eye of many users looking for a reliable site to shorten URLs. Although the hits-link history is still in beta, you can still request real-time updates by email. Results come within a short amount of time. Another feature in beta is the sites creative "Quick Share" area, where they will take the links to online sites and other applications for you! http://dalt.in is a great site for anyone looking for simplicity, and a few links to shorten!
Wikipedia is not for advertising and the list of example should be restricted to a few notable example (see also Wikipedia:Notability (web)). Some other entries in the list have similar problems. Regards, HaeB (talk) 02:35, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
So - unless anyone has a decent reason not to then over the next month I'm going to ask for the redirect from queries for 'bit.ly' to be broken, and will write a page for bit.ly ... unless I just haven't been looking the right way for one? Nath 18:01, 6 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Festrilmongrit (talk • contribs)
I don't see a need to emphasize that bit.ly is "Libyan" since this is not the case with practically every other URL shortening domain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanzoneja (talk • contribs) 05:41, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
- I agree, I have done a cleanup. If you feel it's necessary to add such details, please edit the article for bit.ly and add the details there. --Hm2k (talk) 09:56, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
I have added a mention of a patent for URL shortening, pre-dating the earliest mention previously given. Full disclosure: I am an IBM employee (in fact, a colleague of one of the patent inventors). I assume others can judge POV issues. Ken Clarkson (talk) 01:07, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Custom URL Shortening Software
In May 2009 .tk, which previously was used to generate memorable domains via URL redirection, launched tweak.tk, which generates very short URLs such as http://mxtux.tk/ (which redirects to Wikipedia)
There are several problems with the above. The press release at  is dated April 2009 and not May. The .tk service (home page is http://dot.tk/ ) is still offering domain and URL redirection, so "previously" is not accurate. The "citation needed" is probably requesting a better citation for the entire section rather than for the self-obvious redirect to Wikipedia; the above press release is minimally better than the current Twitter citation. I'm not going to edit the section myself because after seeing it, I registered a short domain and I might have a conflict. -- SEWilco (talk) 21:47, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
The description of "URL shortener TO./ NanoURL" probably needs some work. I can't find info on that service and someone seems to have registered http://www.to/ now, so the old links to there are not useful. -- SEWilco (talk) 21:51, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
- I don't see it covered in the current version of this article, and from the description of the functionality it would seem more pertinent to address munging. But in any case, before mentioning the term in either article and redirecting the entry there, reliable sources should be cited to show that "mail shortening" is an established, widely used term. Regards, HaeB (talk) 12:00, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
The link "Comparison of URL Shortening services SearchEngineLand, April 2009" leads to a very shady page! Most of the "services" analyzed by that page are dead or have been taken over by hungry marketers. Someone please review this link! This —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 00:19, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
- It was added by in this revision to "show that several short urls can lead to the same page." It has been removed as of this revision. I thought about re-adding the second link, but it seems unnecessary. One link each on multiple services shows the same thing as two links on one service. Perhaps a second example from a different URL could be used, like you suggested. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 07:44, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
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I hope this has helped. I think only a few more references will permit the last remaining tag at the head of the article to be removed. Some indications of where these are needed have already been flagged in the text. I found it an interesting article, and I hope I haven't corrupted anything. After as substantial an edit as this it is probably wise if someone with a specialist knowledge goes through it again, just to check. Richard asr (talk) 16:01, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Dear Wikipedia contributors,
receive a respectful greeting. Lately, services provided by certain websites such as adfly.com, cloackedlink.com, etc. are getting very popular. They shorten URLs to redirect to some intermediate web pages in order to advertise them and the publisher gets money in exchange. I see no section about it here so I think it is a good idea someone with enough knowledge about it add it.
Thanks in advance!!!
V3 offered travel.to, surf.to & come.to/* addresses as early as September 1997 (See foot of page.) One could argue that this could be considered the "first notable URL shortening service" (currently attributed to five-years-later TinyURL.) Note the statistics from the Apr 1999 capture, clocking over half a million shortened URLs with 14 million redirects per week. 184.108.40.206 (talk) 15:46, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
Adf.ly is seizing control of my laptop while I am on Wikipedia & Wiktionary, turning normal URLs into extremely long ones that don't work. I don't know where to find help on how to cure this. --Pawyilee (talk) 01:39, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Other features. And feature comparison of URL shorteners.
1) It should be in the lede that most of these services create a random URL. eg jO3u6
2) Some do not have the option of a user defined string as shown in the lede: goo.gl no, TinyURL yes.
3) Some allow the extending of the short URL with subpages. goo.gl no, TinyURL yes.
4) goo.gl/maps, can only be a Google Map, youtu.be can only be a YouTube video. It should mention that this is a security feature, as the user knows which website it links to.