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Was ULTRA a military 'operation'[edit]

Sorry to be pedantic, but .....

Is there a definition, in this main topic's context, of 'operation'? I had supposed that the term would be more limited and thus exclude ULTRA (though not questioning ULTRA's importance). If not what else can be added? PLUTO?

ULTRA was the designated title of the work and refers to the fact that the British Security Classification was RESTRICTED, CONFIDENTIAL, SECRET and TOP SECRET. Something designated ULTRA was in fact very much handed out on a need to know, eyes only information and was higher than anything designated TOP SECRET. As it was not a military operation in the sense that Operation Husky or Operation Overlord were, it was nevertheless information garnered via the Ultra de-crypts that enable military operations to proceed at a reduced or minimal risk. ULTRA information when passed to operational commanders was always done so in a manner that ensured they did not know the source of the information. The NAZI's as a result never discovered that their Enigma and Lorenz traffic was being decoded and read - they knew that it would be read but were always assured when tests showed that it was impossible to break. Incidentally the US Navy never captured an Enigma machine - that is a dream of Hollywood. They were made aware that Britain was reading Enigma Traffic. Imagine the scene if they had been made aware how they would have bragged on TV that they were reading Enigma traffic and convoy XYZ had got through because they had read the traffic. The Kreigsmarine would have immediately changed the settings making the whole thing unreadable and convoy shipping lost, the NAZI's could have conceivably won the war. As it is the reading of the Enigma and Lorenz codes is calculated to have shortened the war by about 2 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.244.61.231 (talk) 15:37, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Dissemination of ULTRA intelligence was definitely a military operation, although managed at the top level by MI-6. SV1XV (talk) 18:09, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Change from primary topic[edit]

Another editor has request that Ultra (disambiguation) be moved to Ultra, which would move this article to something like Ultra (cryptography). See Talk:Ultra (disambiguation)#Requested move. -- JHunterJ (talk) 10:55, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Interesting! -- Narnia.Gate7 (talk) 00:28, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

The Secret War - BBC 1977 TV programme[edit]

There's an episode of the BBC television series The Secret War (based on the book Most Secret War by R.V. Jones) about the Enigma and Bletchley Park including interviews with some of the people involved, on YouTube here: [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.112.68.219 (talk) 16:50, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Why in the world is this the default "ultra" page?[edit]

It's so... random and obscure. That would be like having Car redirect to a documentary called "Car" instead of the article about motorvehicle. What the heck? 69.247.33.227 (talk) 13:06, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Because it's the primary topic for "Ultra" -- it's not obscure to the readership at large. See Talk:Ultra (disambiguation)#Requested move -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:03, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Because it saved the free world. -- Narnia.Gate7 (talk) 21:55, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Alan Turing[edit]

I have moved this from the article as it is more appropriate here. It was inserted by Grapestomper9. I'll leave a note at their talk:

It should be noted in this article that of all people associated with the sucsess of Ultra, Alan Turing by far tops the list of its most important contributors. Among other brilliant methods of cracking these codes, Alan Turing invented what can only be described as the very first electro-mechanical "high speed" computer. Most involved with Ultra at the highest levels would say that without Alan Turing the Axis would have won the War. --John (User:Jwy/talk) 00:47, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Without Alan Turing's input in to the design of the Bombes the next step could not have been taken so rapidly. That next step was the development of Colossus to read the Lorenz Code used by the NAZI High Command to communicate Hitler's orders and response to those orders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.244.61.231 (talk) 15:24, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for leaving the info here in TALK. I'll go over to Alan Turing's WP page. -- Narnia.Gate7 (talk) 21:58, 9 May 2014 (UTC)