Talk:United Socialist Party of Venezuela

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Website is down[edit]

www.militantepsuv.org.ve is no longer operational. Why is that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.239.105.238 (talk) 18:40, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


Anybody here speak spanish? I looked at the Spanish srticle on this and It seems like a lot of Important things regarding the formation of the party occurred in February. I would like a translator to update with article with info from the spanish wiki in the best interests of Wikipedia. Until then I'm marking the article with an out of date tag. Cheers. Sincerely, --Johnny89 01:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Communist Party[edit]

I've read the resolution posted on the PCV's website and to the best of my understanding (which may perhaps be becoming limited) it seemed to me that they resolved in favor of a united party of the Bolivarian Revolution, recognizing Chavez as it's leader and supporting the "Tesis sobre el Partido de la Revolución" at this reference. Now, on the International Herald Tribune website it says that the Communist Party has refused to do so. Can someone tell me if my understanding of the resolution is flawed, or if the IHT has outdated information from the earlier PCV posturing?--The One True Fred 06:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

My english is very bad but I found help of a wiki-es admin, Orgullomoore, who traslated this comment:
The Communist Party of Venezuela in the XIII Extraordinary Congress refused to fuse with the PSUV, in their declaration, they indicate "The PCV reiterates a a large Antiimperialist Front's commitment to continue fighting for a solid constitution at a national and continentel level", so they refuse to unite with the PSUV but they propose the creation of a large Front. The PCV was very diplomatic upon rejecting the proposal and because of it some media have become confused with the final decistion of the PCV, but they did indeed reject the dissolution.
In the article of the PSUV in the Wikipedia in spanish, that is explicated with references. Tomatejc 14:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I've read in various newspapers that the Podemos party, together with the Communist Party of Venezuela (PCV) and the PPT have not supported the call of President Chávez to dissolve in order to join the PSUV, and as a matter of fact, the podemos party has become a voice of dissent in the Venezuelan government, as seen by Deputy Ismael Garcia, receiving the leaders of the student movement during it's hayday in early may.

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BetacommandBot 04:32, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Formation section translated[edit]

Tony0106 (talk) 20:52, 6 April 2009 (UTC).

Trotskyist?[edit]

"At its first convention the rank and file, despite the objections of the right wing of the new party, passed a resolution that clarified the party tradition as standing with Marx, Engels, Lenin and Trotsky."

This really, really needs to be sourced because I haven't heard about it anywhere. I know there is a vocal minority of Trotskyists within the PSUV, but the idea of them passing a resolution identifying the party as essentially Trotskyist is either inflated (e.g. passed an unbinding; ultimately useless resolution) or at worst simply wrong. --Mrdie (talk) 22:06, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

The party is in no way Trotskyist. If it was Venezuela would not have that big state bureaucracy that is growing the the Bolivian Revolution. Chavez has no idea what socialism means. The state bureaucracy is destroying the revolution. Remember! state companies are not democratically control by workers-councils, their leaders are selected by the government. Hugo Chavez is using bureaucratic centralized methods to rule his nation. This will lead to the downfall of the Bolivian Revolution, when workers realise Chavez is not bringing genuine democratic socialism. The revolution is in great danger in Venezuela. --UDSS (talk) 22:34, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Check the link for president[edit]

It put a smile on my face, but it's better to undo what someone did with the "President" link.Josevillegascarmona (talk) 04:13, 5 December 2009 (UTC)javc

Marxist?[edit]

Why is this party Marxist? I don't see a socialist Venezuela? Since 1999 Chavez has not brought socialism to Venezuela. So why is this party Marxist? I think that party is social democratic, left wing nationalist, but i don't think it is genuine Marxist or socialist. Hugo Chavez has not broken with capitalism, Venezuela is still ruled by capitalist and now they have the state as the biggest capitalist. So I would call their ideology not Marxist, but more like social democracy with a lot of Venezuelan left wing nationalism. --UDSS (talk) 22:40, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Left Wing Nationalist[edit]

The PSUV is a left nationalist party. Why? Because they always use the Venezuelan flag during demonstrations, and the red flag of internationalism is never used. Also Hugo Chavez is very nationalist and loves his nation. A genuine socialist should not be nationalist. Nationalism and socialism are incompatible. Socialism in one nation ( Stalinism ) will not work, that is why Chavez is losing support. His left-wing nationalism will not make Venezuela genuine socialist. The PSUV is no fighter for the world revolution and will not unite Venezuela, Colombia and Ecuador in one United Latin American Socialist Federation. So that is why this party is not internationalist, but left wing nationalist. --UDSS (talk) 15:07, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Once again, please read WP:NOT and WP:OR. Wikipedia is not a discussion forum. You need reliable sources for your changes. Your own arguments are not sufficient. One would expect some improvements in your editing manner after all these years. Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (t) 16:00, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Seats in National Assembly[edit]

Why does this article say there are 165 seats in the National Assembly while the National Assembly article says there are 167? Kaldari (talk) 22:42, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Ah, it looks like this article is wrong as it is actually reporting the number of seats for 2011, not 2010. Kaldari (talk) 22:47, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
I've commented out the incorrect information for now. Kaldari (talk) 22:48, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Democratic Socialist?[edit]

The label of being a democratic socialist party may seem controversial and objectionable from the view of other democratic or libertarian socialists, considering the controversy surrounding Chavez's rule. I would suggest the label simply be Bolivarianism and Socialism, without any further description as to being a specific brand of socialism.--Appledoze (talk) 20:13, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

PSUV is committed to a democratic socialism based on participatory democracy. It's, er, a work in progress :) Rd232 talk 00:17, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Precisely because of that, I think it would be better to just label it as Socialism in general along with Bolivarianism to avoid any controversy.--Appledoze (talk) 09:53, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
No. It is simply illogical to require a party to succeed in its aims to the satisfaction even of its enemies in order to have those aims acknowledged. Rd232 talk 14:52, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
The Soviet Communist Party aimed at establishing a classless stateless society of free workers, doesn't make it a non-statist party--Appledoze (talk) 19:07, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
That depends entirely on your definition of "non-statist party"; its aim was communism which by definition is stateless, but the practice was state socialist, understood as a transition towards communism (a transition that didn't seem to be transitory, but still). And do you really think introducing that example is helpful? Rd232 talk 04:20, 13 May 2011 (UTC)