Talk:United States Department of the Air Force

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Isn't the Chief of Staff of the USAF only the highest ranking military official if he happens to be the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of staff, which he is not necessarily? --Brentt 07:49, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

i believe its in the context of the department of the air force but ive gone ahead and cleared that up -Lordraydens 00:32, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Chicken or egg?[edit]

from the National Security Act of 1947 article: It was also responsible for the creation of a separate Department of the Air Force from the existing United States Army Air Forces.

so the separate department was created 26july on paper and 17sep in reality? -Lordraydens 00:35, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Keep the Separate Article[edit]

As I wrote elsewhere, the Secretary of the Air Force is not in the Air Force; this shows that the Department and the USAF are two separate entities. -Mikedelsol 00:24, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

And for those of you who want evidence, not just logic, according to the DoD offical website I just accessed, "Congress, in 1947, established a civilian, Cabinet-level Secretary of Defense to oversee an also newly created National Military Establishment. The U.S. Air Force was also created, along with a new Department of the Air Force." -Mikedelsol 00:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

They seems to be the same thing to me. The seal that the USAF uses says Department of the Air Force. Can you provide any other evidence? Maybe we can look at the actual law. --Pmsyyz 02:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

From the National Security Act of 1947:

(50 U.S.C. 409(c)] The term "Department of the Air Force" as used in this Act shall be construed to mean the Department of the Air Force at the seat of government and all field headquarters, forces, reserve components, installations, activities, and functions under the control or supervision of the Department of the Air Force.

Since all the USAF forces are a part of the Department, are they then not the same thing? --Pmsyyz 02:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

The United States Department of the Army and the United States Army are different articles, same with the Navy/Marine Corps, so the United States Department of the Air Force and the United States Air Force should be seperate also. 97.102.224.91 16:27, 30 June, 2008

That's no reason at all. --Pmsyyz (talk) 02:28, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
* 10 U.S.C. 8062 (b): There is a United States Air Force within the Department of the Air Force.
  • 10 U.S.C. 8011: The Department of the Air Force is separately organized under the Secretary of the Air Force. It operates under the authority, direction, and control of the Secretary of Defense.
  • 10 U.S.C. 101 (a)(6): The term “department”, when used with respect to a military department, means the executive part of the department and all field headquarters, forces, reserve components, installations, activities, and functions under the control or supervision of the Secretary of the department.
  • 10 U.S.C. 101 (a)(8): The term “military departments” means the Department of the Army, the Department of the Navy, and the Department of the Air Force.
Agreed, there is no reason to have two separate United States Department of the Air Force & United States Air Force articles as the latter is for all practical purposes the same as the former. Same thing goes with the United States Department of the Army vice the United States Army. There should however be a separate Headquarters Air Force and Office of the Secretary of the Air Force articles in addition to the Air Staff article.RicJac (talk) 16:54, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Notice[edit]

The following has been proposed: {{movenotice|United States Department of the Air Force|Talk:Department of the Air Force#Move}}

For those who maybe interested, discussions will be held for a period of 7 days before the move is made in the above mentioned "talk" page. Tony the Marine (talk) 01:02, 28 January 2011 (UTC)