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Duomin in China[edit]

Duomin (To Min) Zhejiang

http://books.google.com/books?id=4Ibp1RTW0AoC&pg=PA82&lpg=PA82&dq=a+non-Chinese+ethnic+group+closely+related+to+the+She+and+the+Yao&source=bl&ots=Hb6nbleV08&sig=rMSH-T3v4A4YHXlKgYeMhCh7bfQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=I8l4VPfTG8eKsQTih4DYBA&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=a%20non-Chinese%20ethnic%20group%20closely%20related%20to%20the%20She%20and%20the%20Yao&f=false

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The Morohashi dictionary notes that, according to Shaoxingfuzhi [Gazetteer of Shaoxing], duomin is a term used in the Shaoxing area of Zhejiang for beggars. According to Huangchao tongzhi: shihuolue and Huangchao wenxian tongkao: ...

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9 Finally the abolition of the categories of duomin andgaibu in Shaoxing county, Zhejiang 3fftC was approved.10 Nian Xi initiated this policy during a period when both he and his father. Nian Gengyao ^HH ( ? -1726), enjoyed Yongzheng's ...

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Yu Wanjun (2001b) 'Lanxi de yi zhi duomin qiyuan kao'[An investigation of the origin of the Lanxi Fallen People], Zhejiang dang'an, vol. 8, pp. 41-42. Chapter 15 ETHICAL DILEMMAS! BALANCING DISTANCE WITH INVOLVEMENT Marina ...

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people of Zhejiang (duomin), and the boat people of Guangdong (danhu). Members of these and related social groups suffered various forms of discrimination, from simple prejudice to unfavorable legal treatment. For much of the Qing period, ...

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The more prominent among these included the duomin, which literally meant ' lazy people', in Zhejiang province, the mianhu of Jiangsu, and the jiuxing yumin, or 'nine name fishermen', who lived on boats scattered along the Yangzi.

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Other examples of subethnic groups in early modern and contemporary China that can perhaps most accurately be described as castes include the Tomin ( duomin, meaning "fallen" or "lazy" people) of Zhejiang and southern Anhui province, ...

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... sanda miswriting of "sanda" f^ili- sia ga/sii kia meaning unknown (used also in Fujian) ISS duomin for highly sinicized Yao ... Zhejiang She people Terms common to Fujian Province iOfffQ sia ming sia people hsiamin Fuzhou dialect sia neng ...

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According to Liu Yong's research, throughout the country, Chinese people look down on the folk musicians (chuigushou) and call them "cuckolds" (wangba) or " indolent pcopte" (duomin) (Liu Yong 1999.69). ... Hangzhou: Zhejiang Jiaoyu. Xue ...

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... considérés comme sordides, ou encore les populations circonscrites de certaines régions, telles que les duomin132 du Zhejiang. ... Nous connaissons mal la véritable origine du statut des duomin (littéralement: «population dégénérée»).

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Rajmaan (talk) 09:16, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

National Geographic source[edit]

The National Geographic source here needs to be treated with considerable care. For example, it says Hindus believe a person is born into one of four castes based on karma and "purity" — how he or she lived their past lives. which is then expanded upon and is complete nonsense. The statistics may be valid but the explanations are pretty dodgy because the writer appears to have misunderstood the basic concepts. - Sitush (talk) 11:12, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes that article doesn't seem to be neutral, it is like some activist petition, it is written by a author who has written nothing except some content of a "children book". I will support the removal of that link. Sitush what you think about this book? We just have to mention that there is still some prejudice, nothing else. Bladesmulti (talk) 11:41, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
That book is an excellent source, both in itself and as a means of tracking down further sources. I've used it quite a lot and have it on my "to buy" list. - Sitush (talk) 12:03, 6 September 2014 (UTC)