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Miscellaneous[edit]

Sorry i dont know where to put this, never used wikipedia before, but... Could someone add a section on how to avoid backsplash/splashing when using a urinal? this is a very common problem and that info would probably be more useful than 95% of the other stuff on this page... Thanks :)

What exactly is meant by "regular people?" I believe it would be less offensive to disabled and short people to simply say "most people" or "most adults." Fledchen 01:37, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure this should even be a page - it doesn't seem it'll ever be more than a dictionary definition - but I had to rewrite it, since the previous version made it sound like you stand in a urinal to use it! -DavidWBrooks 18:21, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Anyone know the history or inventor of the urinal?

Andrew Ranking Patente4d The Urinal. I Do Not Kknow Who Invented It.
__21:34, 19 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.131.190.6 (talk)

Urinal (restroom)[edit]

"In African cultures, most men swing and exit. Due to lack of water and sanitation, hand washing is not an option, unlike the sanitation opportunities offered to the male African-American population." The above statement is blatantly racist! It has no business being in Wikipedia! Someone with a better knowledge of Wikipedia should clean it up (pardon the pun)

Head rest[edit]

Some better equipped toilets also have forehead rests above the urinals to make the use more comfortable. Worth an inclusion? 89.143.46.83 (talk) 23:15, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

I was very dubious about this, but websearching for "urinal headrest" turns up quite a few credible-looking pictures. Several are on Flickr, and potentially usable on Wikipedia, though I don't have any expertise on uploading or image rights. Reify-tech (talk) 16:22, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Roman Urinal[edit]

I don't mean to nit-pick, but the image called "Roman urinal" is not of urinals at all, but public toilets. The ancient romans did have urinals though, I believe that tanners set up public urinals in the streets of cities with the purpose of collecting urine to use in the process of making leather. Why doesn't someone find an image of an actual ancient urinal or include some verifiable info about the real Roman urinals.

I have heard this, in terms of the histories of both leather and wool processing, but haven't found much in terms of images of the collection process or fixtures. Reify-tech (talk) 16:43, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Waterless Urinal videos[edit]

There are a few Waterless urinal videos here: http://www.plumbersurplus.com/Videos/ --216.70.141.161 17:40, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Pronounce it[edit]

How do the British pronounce Urinal?

yoo RYE nil or YOO ri nil?

It all depends on what your accent actually is (Britain has as many (if not more) different accents as the US does), but the most common pronunciation I've heard is you RYE nal, although I have heard YUR in al this is noticably different to "normal".
see also Regional accents of English speakers. Thryduulf 15:05, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

yu-ruy-NIL (in my standard-ish english) you-IIII-nul (in scourse, perhaps) ya-reyn-ILL (in wessex?)

The common pronunciation of urinal in the U.S. is yer ri nal

you-RYE-nal is the standard pronunciation for RP English and British English. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.211.136.212 (talk) 21:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

The inflection presented here is wrong: Where I'm from, urinal is pronounced, "YÛR•ĭ•nəl". Farglesword (talk) 02:55, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Marcel Duchamp: Fountain[edit]

The following link in the main article was dead and has been removed: "Marcel Duchamp: Fountain (about his 'found art' which is a signed urinal)"

The following two URIs seem to be close to the original target of the link, I don't think either one is sufficiently on-topic or intersting to be included in the article, though.

  1. http://collections.sfmoma.org/Obj25853$29358
  2. http://www.sfmoma.org/msoma/artworks/1466.html

--midg3t 15:09, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia has now it's own page for Fountain (Duchamp). Added that to the Curiosities section with reference link to BBC News. Talamus 11:00, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Foot-activated flush mechanisms[edit]

For addition of a photo of a foot pedal or floor button flush lever to the 'Manual handles' section. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 13:06, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Ice[edit]

Why was the part about ice in urinals removed? It is relevant as it's fairly common practice. Turboduded 21:13, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

i concur. i came here specifically to find out what that is all about! 66.105.218.15 (talk) 19:13, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Dirt[edit]

Why I can't do a dirt in there? BoratSagdiyev 00:04, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Dude just use a toilet! [User:trainboy3] October 28 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.42.137 (talk) 15:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Weird links re strawberry urinal cakes[edit]

There is something about "strawberry flavoured urinal cake" and the link on strawberry goes to an article on "shortcake". This makes no sense.

George Michael[edit]

Is the bit about George Michael really relevant to this page? The connection with urinals is extremely tennuous. Thryduulf 08:56, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I think it is, he notably spoofed on his arrest/incident in one of his videos by mirror ball tiling urinals.  ALKIVAR™ 17:21, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

How is his arrest for lewd conduct relavent to the article? Chrisbrl88 14:46, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

How do you Use one?[edit]

I know, it's pathetic. But how do you use a urinal? Like how do you go about it? 66.252.38.94 01:59, 27 December 2006 (UTC)Dirk

OK, I'll bite on this one.

  • Approach an unoccupied urinal with confidence.
  • Open the fly of your pants.
  • Remove your penis.
  • Aim penis into urinal.
  • Urinate. [experiment with angles until you find one that doesn't splash you.]
  • Replace your penis in your pants.
  • Re-Fasten your fly carefully.
  • Flush.
  • Wash & Dry your hands.
  • Go about your day.

BigFatDave 20:10, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

you forgot about the jiggle at the end of point 5. 69.244.226.101 23:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

But if you remove your penis,you will have to go to the hospital to get it re-attached. lol and judging by how specific you make your directions,you forgot to say,"leave the restroom",meaning that the retard reading the directions would think he's imprisoned there.

OK, for those who have a penchant for removing their organs in public restrooms, I have used "extrude" instead of "remove". You never know with some people. And just in case, I've added directions to go to the hospital as well. LudBob 09:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Request for picture showing usage[edit]

I think we should have a pic of how to use a urinal. Like of a guy using one or something. Cause I've never used one. (Kinda shy) And when I do use one I dont wanna look like an idot.

That's the silliest thing I have ever read. I really hope you are not an adult.

The picture of the multiperson (multi-student) urinal in a high school in China has been captioned "A rather primitive urinal" since this article was created. I changed it to "A multiperson urinal..." because I attended a primary (elementary) school, built in the 1940s, that had a urinal almost identical to this one, with a tile wall, trough, and an overflow-timed flush. The design was, and is, thoroughly practical for the purpose intended--lots of boys needing to use the facility all at once. Neither the one at my school in southern California, USA, 50-some years ago or the one in the photograph from China deserves the pejorative "rather primitive". —Preceding unsigned comment added by LM6407 (talkcontribs) 04:58, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Flower urinals[edit]

http://www.clarkmade.com/urinals.html CyberAnth 08:27, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

"female-bodied people"[edit]

Since I've already reverted this once and I don't want to start an edit war, User:Ftmichael has edited the external links from "women" to "female-bodied people." I'm thinking that we should leave it the way it was... Moogle10000 00:03, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Boys Bathroom Image can be taken as offensive by some[edit]

It is considered impolite to take pictures of people in the bathroom without their express permission. Even though no "body parts" are showing, I think it is very inconsiderate of the picture-taker to apparently sneak in and take a picture. Bathrooms are protected by privacy rights. Therefore, I am taking it off the Urinals article. If you got permission from the people, please indicate you did so on your image page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.176.14.246 (talk) 03:06, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

There's the legal issue of publicity rights. As I understand it (IANAL), a photographer may own the copyright, but he does not own the publicity/privacy rights of the people depicted in the photograph. In general, IIRC, people in public places have little expectation of privacy, and therefore photographers of street scenes, e.g., do not require model releases from everyone in their pictures of Times Square. Though not a lawyer, I'd venture to guess that people in restrooms have every expectation of privacy. Model releases may be required to use this image legally. (Again, IANAL.) I seem to recall reading in a photography magazine that releases may be required even if the individual cannot be recognized. FWIW. --Kbh3rdtalk 03:18, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. A photo of an underage exposed boy does have legal issues, regardless offensive or not. Xuz (talk) 20:53, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes I agree . But same thing goes with a Female Restroom. But yes it is really Innapropriate and does no Privacy.

184.163.238.18 (talk) 22:17, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

"Urinals regarded by some as politically incorrect"[edit]

If some women don't like the idea of men standing up to just doing their normal function, like "standing up" and "peeing"; well... nothing stops them from using the female-versions of the urinals and "standing up" at the same time.

I think this idea should be added, to balance the argument of "political correctness".

88.105.80.120 12:30, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Germany, urinals, and the feminist debate about urinals (featuring hilarious talking devices) that supposedly goes on there[edit]

Right, this section appears to be populated by urban legend. When you Google for this supposed debate (and the humorous device voiced by Schröder) on the German-speaking internet, you find nothing. The debate exists only on the English speaking internet, where people react to this supposed bit of news "from Germany". The main source of info seem to be this site [1]. It refers to the product by name and manufacturer, Patentwert, but a quick check shows that Patentwert is the inventor's "print on demand" equivalent, manufacturing nothing, but helping anyone with an idea to get a patent.

If this is real, surely SOME of the people in its supposed country of origin would be aware of it? I'm removing this section until we can see some credible sources. Amphis 14:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Criticism of Urinals[edit]

Why did someone remove this...I felt it was very well worded....and the article doesnt address the fact that most people dont agree with urinals —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.111.99.20 (talk) 00:00, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

section on "Social aspects of urinals"[edit]

I was amused, to say the least to read this. I would like to know, exactly how did anyone find this out? I think there should be a major rewrite, and some stuff shouldnt be gone into such details. I also want to see some sources too. 220.240.198.191 (talk) 16:23, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

  • lol, I know. As if there are rules to how to use a urinal besides like don't be creepy and look. There's even rules divided up into culutures now Blammo77 —Preceding undated comment was added at 07:47, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Move back Urinal (disambiguation) to Urinal[edit]

This article was recently moved to Urinal (restroom) by one of the authors of an article listed at Urinal (disambiguation). While having Urinal redirect to or be the location of the disambiguation page increases visibility of articles listed there, the primary topic articles should not be moved solely for the purpose of the promotional desires of one editor. Instead, the location of these articles were already optimized. If the proposed move back is uncontroversial, the Urinal article which redirects here could be deleted under WP:SPEEDY G6 and this article's previous location can be restored. —Tokek (talk) 22:42, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what you're asking, but personally I think the dab page should keep its name and this article should be located at Urinal (rather than with the disambiguated title)—i.e., it should be moved back over the redirect. The only other article that could be claimed to be a 'common' topic is Urinal (health care), but it's still far less common than this, and not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 23:06, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
Urinals in health care are just as common as urinals in restrooms. Given that they are about equally common (which is hard to guage exactly), the title "Urinal" by itself should be the disambiguation page ("Mercury" and "Joker" examples on WP:DAB). Tatterfly (talk) 15:47, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
I would dispute that. I know what healthcare urinals are, but AFAIK they are generally only used by sick people, and I had never even heard of or seen one until I was a teenager. Restroom urinals are far more common. Just as one example, if you do a google image search for "urinal", the entire front page of results is restroom urinals. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 15:24, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Privacy Walls[edit]

Urinal privacy walls are now generally required per building codes (most US states). While older facilities may be grandfathered, new and remodeled facilites require them, right down to the dimensiions, etc. The article seems skim over this requirement by saying privacy walls "may" be built, where in fact they are now required. Readers should know why they are so common. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.181.228.249 (talk) 16:57, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Piss tubes[edit]

I don't know about more recent conflicts, but in Nam, piss tubes were mDe from the metal tubes artillery ammunition was stored in, not some type of water bottleWschart (talk) 01:26, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:58, 25 July 2011 (UTC)



Urinal (restroom)Urinal – Clear primary topic. restroom: 10,599, medical equipment: 691, band (partial title match): 588, film (partial title match): 897. Marcus Qwertyus 05:01, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

  • Endorse I suspect the other uses exist because of the primary one here. OSborn arfcontribs. 05:07, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Or to Urinal (toilet): Here in England (UK) a restroom is a room for resting in and not a lavatory. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:32, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Support. Seems to clearly be the primary topic. Jenks24 (talk) 07:06, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose The urinals that are seen in health care are just as commonplace. Anyone who has worked in health care or been a patient should know that. For this reason, it is best to use "urinal" as the dab. I do however support the possibility of renaming this to urinal (toilet). Tatterfly (talk) 11:57, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Support. Both because it's by far the most common usage and, per Jenks24, because in the UK a restroom is somewhere we go to rest (and a bathroom is somewhere we go to have a bath); we don't feel the need to invent euphemisms for toilets. -- Necrothesp (talk) 22:37, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Support seems reasonable. 65.93.15.213 (talk) 05:46, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Support: about an order of magnitude more traffic = WP:PRIMARYTOPIC to me. –CWenger (^@) 06:29, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
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Low Mounted Urinals[edit]

The article states that these are mounted lower for the benefit of short individuals and boys. I have no doubt that accounts for the majority of use by those who choose them over the standard mounting height, but working in the construction field I learned that this is a legal requirement to comply with the Americans with Disabilities Act. I know, I know, I've never seen anyone in a wheelchair use a urinal. But that's the law. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.140.101.160 (talk) 23:04, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Dubious claim about trough urinal popularization[edit]

I added the tag to the claim trough urinals were made famous by two US sports facilities. [2] This article as with many has some clear signs of a Western and particularly US bias. This is one of the most signs. While trough urinals may only generally be found in sports complexes in some countries, in others trough urinals may be found in shopping complexes or even schools. So while people in a number of Western countries may only be familiar with trough urinals from sports complexes (altho probably not those two if you aren't from the US and trough urinals aren't an uncommon sight outside sports complexes in NZ), in others they may be nothing remarkable or requiring to be 'made famous' Nil Einne (talk) 02:37, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Piss tubes something different[edit]

Pisstubes are containers used by the crews of vehicles such as aircraft which regularly carry out long duration missions, such as the fifties V-bombers, where there is no spece for a conventional toilet. Often there is an unofficial agrreement that if a member of aircrew has to use one he makes a small donation to the grounf cew benevolent fund. 86.158.174.53 (talk) 14:44, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Needed: History section[edit]

I feel like this article is rather unfocused and disjointed in general. Adding a history section would be a start towards improving it. Polyglottalstop (talk) 02:14, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

I think there used to be a section that described various theories about the invention of urinals. One theory was that a woman invented urinals in a misguided attempt to emasculate men. — Ian01 (talk) 05:30, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
There definitely needs to be a history section. I came here specifically wondering about their invention and history, and was of course disappointed to find no such information. Ouizardus (talk) 17:02, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Request for urinal etiquette section[edit]

I'd like to see a urinal etiquette section added to the article. It could include info on the privacy partitions, the 'rule' about not using adjacent urinals if there are no partitions, and where users usually gaze while they use the urinal. — Ian01 (talk) 05:28, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Someone pooped in the urinal! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.147.24.166 (talk) 00:05, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Those containers used by hospitals are also called URINALS[edit]

This needs to be added to the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:C518:6C40:343B:BA61:AA6C:74C2 (talk) 04:41, 25 June 2014 (UTC) http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=What+is+the+plastic+container+called+that+you+urinate+in+that+hospitals+use&FORM=HDRSC2#view=detail&id=14C67BD395CE11F1E842F96E0BEEF57D60E1A016&selectedIndex=8 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:C518:6C40:343B:BA61:AA6C:74C2 (talk) 04:46, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Remove the section on "See also"[edit]

I suggest we remove the link section under "see also" as it doesn't really conform with Wikipedia article style. I would rather suggest that the relevant terms are integrated into the text of the article. EvM-Susana (talk) 17:25, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

More information on waterless urinals[edit]

I have just added more information from Germany about waterless urinals, as the current section was rather focussed on the US only. I would like to also include 1-2 photos of the commonly used one-way valves uses in waterless urinals (like the EcoSmellStop device), unless others think this would go into too much technical detail? EvM-Susana (talk) 17:25, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Waterless Urinals can damage buildings.[edit]

These waterless urinal suppliers DO NOT warn clients that undiluted urine will eat through copper pipes and leak into the building fabric. The other problem is they remove water supply (not just turn it off) so client is forced to continue using even if displeased. 78.147.239.36 (talk) 13:43, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

I've wondered about this risk, just from the basic (actually, acidic!) chemistry. Leakage from corrosion already occurs, usually in an exposed metallic trap installed below the fixture, but at least the problem is visible and straightforwardly repaired. Can anyone find a WP:RS documenting this problem? Reify-tech (talk) 18:22, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Exchange photo in the lead?[edit]

This article has many very good urinal photos. I just wonder if the one chosen for the lead is quite ideal. Why highlight this pink urinal cake, which is not actually THAT common? I would rather take a photo that shows several urinals in a row as that is a very common arrangement. EvM-Susana (talk) 16:40, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Reify-tech, you've made a lot of changes to the article, which is good, but you didn't provide many comments in the description field for the changes (or doing intermediate savings of your edits). This makes it a little hard to follow your reasoning why you have changed something. For example, I don't think your choice of photo for the lead is a good one. The lead photo should be a typical photo of a urinal. Unisex urinals are certainly not at all "typical", they are very rare. Let's exchange it with a photo that reflects more the content of this article. Also, why have you removed the photo of the unisex portable urinal in Kenya? EvM-Susana (talk) 10:15, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
As you can see from my edit history, I work on a wide and eclectic range of topics, and enjoy finding interesting and unexpected connections among items that are not obviously related. I spent a few hours looking through the hundreds of images of urinals in WikiMedia Commons, and selected photos showing a diverse range of designs. I also kept an eye out for a "typical" everyday urinal installation for the lede, but didn't find anything that struck me as particularly suitable. I tentatively settled on the unisex urinals picture, as somewhat typical and neutral, and as a mild pushback against the notion that these plumbing fixtures are "for men only". You're certainly welcome to look for or to upload a better picture than I was able to find.
I removed the first Kenya photo because it seemed cluttered, and the nominal subject wasn't that clearly depicted. I replaced it with another photo depicting the portable urinal more clearly, and also added a couple of pictures from Kenya showing basic fixed installations. In general, I have taken care to add more photos from developing countries, which were completely absent from the article previously.
I defer to your evident interest and focus in sanitation, including developing countries, and appreciate the contributions and suggestions you have made so far. I have built the navigation bar Template:HVAC from scratch, in an attempt to organize and coordinate the many disparate articles related to that subject. Building the navbar helped reveal significant gaps and redundancies in Wikipedia's coverage of HVAC and related topics. I (and other editors) have also noted that the articles on Plumbing, Water supply, Sewage, and Sanitation have similar problems (for example, see Talk:Plumbing and Talk:Tap water). I would like to build up another navigation bar in a similar manner; your help with this project would be much appreciated, if you can give it.
Your detailed comments on your edits are useful. I sometimes have a different style, especially when doing a major restructuring or expansion to an article. I prefer to focus intensely on the work at hand, and I often try and then reject various alternatives that never get saved out. I guess I'm just reluctant to break my train of thought. Saving out more frequently would certainly increase my edit count dramatically, but I haven't been concerned about that. There are certainly other advantages to saving out frequently, including better resistance to crashes and outages. Perhaps with your example and influence, I will modify my editing style somewhat, but I'm not likely to make a sudden and drastic change in this. I've noticed that other editors vary considerably in how often they save out changes, and there doesn't seem to be any official Wikipedia policy recommendation one way of the other.
I look forward to seeing what you will contribute to the Sanitation and Water cluster of Wikipedia articles, which definitely could use the help. Cheers! Reify-tech (talk) 14:23, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for these detailed explanations, Reify-tech, much appreciated. I will find another photo for the lead though. Whilst urinals for females are interesting, they really haven't taken off (or is it different in your country?) and therefore I would find it misleading to put such a photo into the lead. If 99% of installed urinals are for male users then this should be reflected in the photo of the lead.
What did you mean by "I would like to build up another navigation bar in a similar manner"? We have already a few navigation bars for the topic of sanitation, like the ones I have listed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sanitation#Content_related . What kind of additional navigation bar would you say is missing? . I like to focus in my edits on the links to sanitation and also ensuring that issues that pertain to developing countries are properly included. I'd be happy to help with anything that touches on that.:-) EvM-Susana (talk) 07:52, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
There are clusters of articles that can be loosely categorized as Plumbing, Water supply, and Sewage/Sanitation, which have both gaps and redundancies in coverage. I don't know of a comprehensive listing of such articles; in fact, this is a reason I think that a navbar is needed. Thank you for the link you just gave me above; I will look at the categories in detail when I have time. I think there is a significant number of Wikipedia articles that have fallen outside the net of the navbars in the listing, and will have to compile a list of them; indeed a navbar is such a list, organized and made more visible to readers and editors. For example, the Template:HVAC helps both readers and editors to see what coverage exists (a large number of related but poorly-connected articles were discovered just in the process of compiling the navbar), and some progress has been made towards cleaning up both the revealed gaps and redundancies in coverage. Reify-tech (talk) 18:03, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Add information about use of urinals in Muslim countries?[edit]

I think we should add something about where (public) urinals are common. As far as I know, urinals are not used much in Muslim countries as many Muslims practice cleaning with water after urination and they also don't like the idea that urine could splash back onto them. I don't have a source to cite ready at hand but if someone else knows more about it, can you add it? We could say something along the lines that urinals are common in countries in Europe, the US, Canada, Japan, India (??) etc but not common in the Middle East, Northern Africa, i.e. Muslim countries (??) EvM-Susana (talk) 16:40, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

I agree that there should be more coverage of this; sorry that I don't have much expertise on that topic. Look at the article on Bidets and related topics, where there is some coverage of customs in Muslim traditions. Reify-tech (talk) 14:23, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
I have started a little survey about this topic here on a discussion forum. A picture is emerging that they are not common in Muslim countries but I am still trying to find a good, reliable reference for this. EvM-Susana (talk) 19:58, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

How about merging the article on Pissoirs to here?[edit]

I have added a history section and realised that the historical information can be found on the page for pissoir which contains only that information. Therefore, I would propose to merge the content of the pissoir page to here under street urinal and under history respectively. I have also proposed it on the talk page of pissoirs. Thoughts anyone? - Mind you, the French version of the article for pissoirs is a lot more detailed though - not surprisingly. Would that speak for keeping it a separate article? EvM-Susana (talk) 20:00, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

I'd be more inclined to leave it separate, as it is now, so that it could be expanded with material from the extensive French article. The French make a distinction between pissoirs, and urinoirs or urinettes, with separate fully-developed articles for each. Reify-tech (talk) 03:24, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
Well I am also a bit undecided although just because the French differentiate pissoirs and urinoirs doesn't mean the English have to do it as well (in fact they don't, I have never seen the use of pissoir in the English language?). Also in German we don't use it except as a historical term. Therefore, it would need to make clear(er) what our definition is of the difference between a street urinal and a pissoir. In my opinion there is no difference, except that pissoir is the historical French term for what we now call street urinal (or public toilet urinal? Or public urinal?). EvM-Susana (talk) 10:19, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
I don't think the British have a word for street urinal because we don't really have street urinals (or at least not like the French do). I see there are some images of British street urinals in the page, but I have never seen one outside of London. "Pisser" is a slang term for toilet, not specifically for street urinals as far as I know JMWt (talk) 10:28, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
I agree that pissoir is more a historical French term, not widely used in English (and often italicized as a foreign term). The English Wikipedia article should probably be renamed to "Street urinal" or something similar. I think that leaving it unmerged might be better, because there is potential for expanding the article considerably, and don't want the article here to become too unwieldy. Reify-tech (talk) 16:12, 22 May 2015 (UTC)