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List of utopian literature
There is now a separate article for List of utopian literature. I took the list from this article, made some heavy revisions (see Talk:List of utopian literature#Revisions), and purged most of the list from this article, reformatting a little bit and adding a few cn tags. Not aware of typical standards for what happens to lists on subject articles when a separate page is created, I should say that I applied pretty arbitrary standards for what to keep -- my own judgment of which are most notable. --Rhododendrites (talk) 23:54, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
@Mark K. Jensen: - Would you mind rewording or elaborating upon this sentence? : "However, in 1905 H.G. Wells published A Modern Utopia, which was widely read and admired and provoked much discussion." I'm not sure I understand the "however" in context. --Rhododendrites (talk) 02:00, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Glaring error - "Utopia"
Are there literate, intelligent editors here? Are they hiding? Or asleep?
Introductory sentence: "The word utopia was coined in Greek by Sir Thomas More for his 1516 book Utopia..."
A couple of paragraphs later (after some intervening statements about Plato's Republic, which has some similar ideas but was about /a/ republic", not about /the/ "Utopia")...
"During the 16th century, Thomas More's book Utopia proposed an ideal society of the same name."
So, the claim is that:
(i) More coined (introduced) the name, Utopia; and (ii) More chose "the same name", implying that someone else had already used the name.
Spot the inconsistency? As the textbooks say, finding the inconsistency is left as an exercise for the reader.
- Please WP:Assume good faith about your fellow editors and don't be condescending. The good news is that this is wikipedia, so you can WP:BeBold and fix it yourself! Attaboy (talk) 14:16, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
- It's also not even an error. I have no idea why the IP would take "the same name" to imply that someone else had already used the term. Not the ideal wording, no, but especially given the context of an article, it seems one would have to be trying to misunderstand in order to take away anything other than a reference back to the word utopia (a book called utopia; a society of the same name). I suspect the issue here is the incorrect final statement. More's "specific (fictional) island Utopia" was how he coined the word. That it has become a common term for referring to the concept of ideal society, it wasn't at that point. --— Rhododendrites talk | 04:25, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Marxism and Communism
Marx advocates for a global revolution where the proletariat overthrows their capitalist overlords and establish a society where everyone is treated equally and according to their needs. The government will whither away. This sounds like a utopia to me. Why is it not included? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 19:30, 7 July 2014 (UTC)