Talk:Uunartoq Qeqertaq

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Red Flag[edit]

Reference 2 is listed as "personal communication". Does this not constitute original research as it is unpublished and unverifiable? I make a motion that if these statements cannot be sourced properly, that these quotations be removed. BobertWABC (talk) 16:14, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Moved[edit]

I am moving the debate from the article. Firstly, the language needs a good deal of brushing-up ("foreseeable past", "there can be no doubt", "the answers... are" etc.), and secondly, the level of evidence presented makes the whole dispute look rather half-baked. There are better venues to discuss global warming controversy. If you want to see your opinions on climatology represented here, provide facts and references please. 80.216.209.74 (talk) 08:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Moved text to follow.

On the other hand, according to Schmitt, Hofer's map "is only schematic and explicitly incomplete. Where the area of the ice shelf connecting the mainland to Warming Island should occur, the schematic draws a straight line that clearly is not faithful to the regional topographic detail. At one point this schematic line truncates a glacier in its middle, leaving the northerly extension of the glacier omitted."[1] Schmitt continues: "The critical points in this discussion are 1. there can be no doubt about the incompleteness of the 1950s map. 2.The extent of open water portrayed on the 1950s map is virtually impossible. 3. All accurate maps of the region show the ice shelf intact. 4. All scientific evidence suggests that the ice shelf in question existed and indeed was more extensive for the foreseeable past (hundreds of years)."

The answers to Schmitt's points are: 1. There can be no doubt that the 1950s map drawn by Hofer shows "Warming Island" as an island. 2. The map is insufficiently detailed to portray areas of open water or exact topographical details, but it plainly shows the island as an island. 3. There were no accurate maps of the region until the satellite era in the 1970s, by which time the ice-bridge had re-established itself, probably during the cooling from 1940 to 1975. 4. The ice-bridge was indeed probably very extensive in the Little Ice Age, from which the planet has been recovering naturally at a warming rate of around 0.5 K per century since at least 1800 and probably 1700 (Akasofu, 2008). But it was not present in the 1950s when Hofer drew his map, or it would have concealed the fact that the island is an island, and he would not have drawn it as an island.

  1. ^ personal communication