Talk:Valeriano Weyler

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Untitled[edit]

Text taken from http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/1898/weyler.html, public domain. --howcheng [ talk • contribs • web ] 16:32, 21 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]


OK so this merge was pretty lame. Between the redirects and cache issues with my browser I saved the wrong info to the wrong page a couple of times. Bottom line, two somewhat different bios were merged and all the redirects point to this page as the most common spelling. Some of the text imported from the other article seems a bit biased. Someone else can have a go at it. Thatcher131 04:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Military personnel[edit]

If he was a Person of the Spanish-American WAr, he was a "Spanish military personnel of the Spanish-American War", so will categorize him as such Hugo999 (talk) 01:49, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unreliable entry: misleading intro, dates lacking[edit]

The intro says Weyler was born in 1838, entered military college at 16 (presumably 1854), graduated (when?), entered the staff college as a lieutenant (when?), and graduated at the top of his class (when?). Then this: "Two years afterwards he became captain, and was sent to Cuba at his own request." OK, the inference is that Weyler was sent to Cuba two years after he graduated from staff college. Further down in the section on Cuba, only one date is mentioned - 1897. It doesn't say when Weyler was sent to Cuba, but it does say he was made governor (when?). He was made governor as a captain two years after he graduated from staff college? Assuming (the only option given) that he spent four years (at most) in military college and four years (at most) in staff college, he must have graduated by 1862 at the latest. If he was made captain and sent to Cuba two years later, the lede graf would place his going to Cuba in about 1864. And it's very doubtful he was made governor as a young captain of 24 years old.

The entry on the Philippines says he arrived there in 1888, and won a medal in 1895. Was he still in the Philippines when he got that medal? We have to wait till the next section to find out. He returned to Spain (when?) a millionaire. Then in the next section, Spain, we're told he returned there in 1892 - so are we to assume his medal was awarded three years after his return? "On his return to Spain in 1892" he was assigned to the Basque provinces (was that also in 1892?). Then he was made captain-general of Barcelona (when?), "where he remained until January 1896." But "by the end of 1897" is the date he is said to have put Cubans in concentration camps - yet the entry also says he resigned his Cuban post in 1897 (when, exactly?) and returned to Spain.Are we to guess that he went to Cuba - at his request - in 1896, 1897, or (unlikely) 1864 or thereabouts? I don't know this history, but this entry simply doesn't make sense and leaves out too much crucial information, making it very unreliable as a source.Wlegro (talk) 19:55, 5 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 3 May 2015[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain t/c 13:30, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Valeriano Weyler, 1st Duke of Rubí → Valeriano Weyler – He is famous as Valeriano Weyler. His title is relatively obscure. This ngram can't even find results for "Duke of Rubí". --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 00:50, 10 May 2015 (UTC) Srnec (talk) 20:12, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose: per WP:NCNT, noble titles should be included in the article title. Ebonelm (talk) 21:37, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The guideline does not say what you think it does. Srnec (talk) 22:56, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per WP:COMMONNAME.--RioHondo (talk) 03:57, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Based on the article titles policy, the proposed move better meets the 5 criteria for proper article titles than the current title. The shorter title is of course more concise, yet still precise, is more natural and is recognizable, and is consistent with how most other articles on Spanish Governor-Generals of the Philippines are titled. In addition, the shorter name is better per WP:COMMONNAME. —seav (talk) 02:12, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Some contributors will oppose this move "Per WP:NCNT" and only that reason. This is not a convincing reason. Please see the excellent remarks of the closing admin on the requested move for Elizabeth II at Talk:Elizabeth II/Article title:

Finally, many believe that the naming convention should simply be applied without exception for the sake of consistency. That argument is also valid, since consistency is indeed an objective of article naming per WP:AT, but it is not persuasive, because it does not address how the longer title conforms with the other four stated objectives of the naming policy: recognizability, ease of finding, preciseness and conciseness. In particular, the editors who are of this view do not generally address the strong empirical evidence that "Elizabeth II" is very likely the most recognizable name as envisaged by WP:AT, which as a policy takes precedence over a guideline-level naming convention. Also, this position does not take into account that occasional exceptions may apply to guidelines, per WP:GUIDES, and indeed they generally do not address at all under which circumstances an exception would be appropriate, thereby in effect treating the naming convention as a policy, which it is not.

As I stated in my support !vote above, the shorter title better meets the article titles policy and this should have a larger consideration over a guideline such as WP:NCNT. —seav (talk) 02:12, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support WP:CONCISE, WP:UCN -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 13:38, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, per NCNT. The proposer does not have the divine right to strip this man of his title. He is a mere commoner, and should back off. RGloucester — ☎ 14:47, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • WP:OFFICIALNAME -- just because he has a title does not mean the article title needs to have it attached. It can be placed into the introductory sentence instead of the article title. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 20:58, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have genuinely no idea if you're being serious, sarcastic, or trying to be funny. But removing the title from the article title hardly the equivalent of stripping a man of his title. Again, why should a guideline such as WP:NCNT override a policy like WP:AT? —seav (talk) 21:01, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per WP:CONCISE and per Seav. This is an example of a person who is decidedly not known for any noble office. bd2412 T 03:43, 25 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Weyler's descrption[edit]

Congratulations on the briefly summarize about Valeriano Weyler's life Cotele (talk) 22:57, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Discrepancy in number of times he was minister of war[edit]

In the "Return to Spain" section, it is noted that Weyler was Minister of War three times. This is supported by the Britannica reference. However, I notice that Andrea Pitzer's "One Long Night" mentions, "he had four separate stints as minister of war" (53). The reference for this goes to Weyler's personal memoir. The citation from the book is: Valeriano Weyler, Memorias de un General (Barcelona: Altaya, 2008), 236. Jlevi (talk) 20:28, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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