Talk:Value (personal and cultural)

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1st thread[edit]

this page needs a lot of work to get it up to speed. Please help. Dullfig 18:41, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

This article uses "value" in the definition of "value". That begs the question: what are values in the first place?values are like chapadganju in this chaddi world A definition that goes beyond what is found in wikidictionary would make for a much better start to the article. The German wikipedia entry for values is helpful. It begins: "Man versteht darunter vor allem die Grundsätze, nach denen eine Gesellschaft oder eine Gruppe von Menschen ihr Zusammenleben richtet oder richten will" [values are understood as the principles around which a society or group of individuals orient (or want to orient] their cohabitation." 10:26, 24 May 2007 (UTC)Scott Stock Gissendanner

Then it looks like principle is a synonym for value, and the question becomes: what is a principle? I agree though that the intro needs to be rewritten. –Pomte 17:17, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

i love donkeys220.238.42.45 (talk) 01:08, 15 June 2013 (UTC){tuyh{jkukj}iuuj} [6]

More content needed[edit]

This article needs more content. It might be more fruitful to bring out a motivating point, namely that our values inform our motives, which cause our actions in daily life, in our social interactions, in our community. The sum of these individual actions can be seen in the larger society, which is us writ large.

Our individual actions result from our values. Certain beliefs, things you aspire to, motivation, are your values.

Example: the values of thrift and industry were very well inculcated in many societies up through the nineteenth century. You cannot say this is true today. How did these values get lost? They were destroyed, in Germany for example, by the hyperinflation of the 1920s which utterly ruined the savings of the people, and indirectly led to World War II. To this day, Germany practices strict inflation control.

Example: military heroism was a noble thing until machine guns made horse calvary charges ludicrous, as recently as the eve of World War II. Now the ability to bring energy to bear on the target is what wins battles, not heroism.

Example: those of us who contribute to this encyclopedia do so for our own reasons (individual and personal values).

Example: the human condition can be viewed as one's individual character. For example, in a massacre of the innocents, what might be the causes? The fear that a rival might take a kingdom? Revenge? Stupidity? Cruelty? Fear? Certainly in such a massacre one might ascribe these motives. Now examine the executives of a massacre; might they be viewed as merely doing their duty?

We might add more examples, which might also help this article.

--Ancheta Wis 11:05, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Personal values describe statements that are assumed to be true for a given set of[[Media:Example.ogg[[Link title]]]] |Fiftyfourforty]] 00:10, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Redirect from "value"[edit]

The redirect template at the top of the page says that "'Value' redirects here. It does not. Could someone either change the template, or actually redirect 'Value' to this page? I don't pretend to know which would be better, but it is currently misleading. - Yug Pah Yug (talk) 02:41, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

values and beliefs[edit]

We need to explain the difference between those concepts.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:34, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

"A value system is a set of consistent values and measures that are NOT TRUE."[edit]

I'm not sure whether someone tries to express the philosophical view that values itself are not reality, but it might be better to change this to the statement that they are 'hold to be true'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:35, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Please don't ...[edit]

Put ignorant drivel here like how one kind of value is more intangible than another (intangibility is an absolute). This is likely to be a highly contested space so you will need to source anything that isn't a pretty obvious plain fact or report of a notable opinion. (talk) 03:57, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

This page is an example of dumbing down of Wikipedia[edit]

The stuff on here is pretty much the same as value (ethics) but just shows how normal people couldn't understand that page so they created this one, thinking they'd create an article about "values" as used in everyday language. But really, value (ethics) and this article talks about pretty much the same thing, one just seems to be more in "laymen's terms" and one in "ethics terms"; I'd much rather the value (ethics) article have a laymen's explanation than this sort of thing. Many people come on to Wikipedia to discover more about something but all this page does is state the obvious "in laymen's terms" pretty much.


The second paragraph of this posting is lifted, essentially word for word, from a book by John R. Schermerhorn titled "Organizational Behavior" and specifically on page 38. I discovered this while examining a student's posting for possible plagiarism. The student neither cited Wikipedia nor Schermerhorn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:48, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Partly incomprehensible, confusing[edit]

This article is not of much value to the reader currently, I am afraid. It contains a lot of weasel words ("it is debated", perhaps "surveys show", ...). Some parts seem banal or debatable. Then some "periods" of value forming according to Morris Massey are placed prominently, but not backed up with a citation (of solid research, preferably) or other justification of any kind. Near the end of "Cultural Values" the article appears to confuse economic value with cultural values (maybe I just didn't get it).

And what is this "Values and the Theory of Pyroalteration Standard, By Ramil L. Palacio, Ph.D" prose block at the end of the article? It was added in the edit [[1]] and not commented on since.

I hereby confirm the "needing clarification" and "unsourced statements" classification. It needs to be improved.

[ɯ:] (talk) 07:45, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

The whole "Values and the Theory of Pyroalteration Standard" looks like an essay / paper / lecture prepared somewhere else and copied into this article. Even if this not a copyright issue (which it might well be)- it still makes no sense in the context of the article. I removed thise text altogether. Arnoutf (talk) 12:44, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

ref to check[edit]

Hills: Kluckhohn and Strodtbeck's Values Orientation Theory has a lot of content that could be added. For example that there are only 36 values for everyone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:55, 14 November 2013 (UTC)