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I removed the clause stating the Marine Building was inspired by the Chrysler Building in New York. I don't see how this can be true - the Marine Building was completed in 1929, two years before the Chrysler Building.
I attempted to place a citation next to the claim about vancouver having a "film industry" nickname called "hollywood north". What exactly does this claim even pertain to, specifically the claim it is a "film industry" nickname? Which film industry the canadian film industry or the american one? which? It is very vague. The only citation it has is from an un-accessible book from the University of British Columbia.
I know many people who work in the american film industry and have never heard that term with regards to vancouver? Even clicking on the link to the main page it appears to reference a nickname for the entire Canadian film industry and toronto, as well as the fact that the vast majority of references there are from only canadian sources. I believe this sentence should be edited to detail it as a "canadian film industry nickname" at most. Wikispeaks (talk) 15:07, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
Well, this is a bit of a hard argument to address. Firstly, sources are rightly the measure of how wide spread the term is and not so much the people you work with. So in regards to the term itself, most sources are Canadian, but plenty are not if you look through all the sources. For example, I did a quick search in foreign media and found thisNew York Times article, thisReuters India forward from the Canadian Reuters, thisLA Times article, thisChicago Sun-Times article, thisChicago Tribune article etc. etc. Secondly, the name is a nickname used outside the industry as well as evident in a lot of regular mainstream news media. To change it to Canadian film industry term when most of the film industry is largely based on the American film industry would be inaccurate and not supported by many sources. Mkdwtalk 22:51, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Well firstly in the sources you provided they seem to make no mention specifically of Vancouver and simply reference Canada as a whole. That does little to further you're argument that Vancouver the city is known by the "industry" nickname Hollywood north. At most you can say film production in canada in general is known as "hollywood north". Not to mention this seems mostly a media driven nickname not an actual film industry one. To try to pertain that this is some city-nickname doted upon the city by the US film industry still rings false. At most this is A) a purely canadian nickname for the city B) A nickname the city has embraced itself. From the Hollywood North Article itself there is no consensus as to what it even pertains too either canada, toronto, vancouver? If the article itself can't even decide who should posses the nickname, how exactly does that support the assertion it is an industry nickname? The passage is misleading leading the reader to assume hollywood itself has given Vancouver such a nickname when there is no evidence for such. Wikispeaks (talk) 07:10, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
YOur repetitive insertion of the dubious template is becoming an edit war; read the debates on Talk:Hollywood North....the rebranding of the whole Canadian film industry is a media creation, the term originated in Vancouver because of its close airtimes to the actual HOllywood an the greater number of American-oriented/based productions.......it began as a film industry reference to Vancouver, from there the Toronto-centric Canadian film industry liked the term and hijacked the concept and tried to make it about Toronto. Halifax's film industry, by the way, is Haliwood. The ongoing campaign by supporters of the actual Hollywood, California has included attempts to blur the meaning of Hollywood North even more, claiming it applies even to Santa Barbara and San Francisco and to downplay Vancouver's importance and the origin of the term. To me, you are just more of the same; the cites you are demanding and the accompanying debates which prevented that article fomr being hijacked and/or deleted are on Talk:Hollywood North. Please do not add the dubious tag again, as your own motives are somewhat dubious....and you are causing an WP:Edit war.Skookum1 (talk) 07:38, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Your line "the industry has given itself" is indeed the case.....because those who coined the name were Americans working on set in Vancouver, and why there were even magazines (started by industry people) using this term; "the industry" in Vancouver is rife with Americans; and it applies to their social circle, too, e.g. clubs and restaurants they frequent. This is not something "Vancouver created for itself", it's an organic term that arose from within the film community. I know, I worked in that film community when all this began and have watched the term's meaning and use spread from there. You sound like someone assigned to go after this term and challenge/question it......Skookum1 (talk) 07:42, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
It appears we're arguing two different points. My initial reply was in response to your argument that no one in America uses the term which my sources show as false. If you feel there is a lack of evidence showing Vancouver as Hollywood North, that's a completely different discussion in which there are literally hundreds of sources. Mkdwtalk 19:35, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
I have added two sources that explicitly name Vancouver as Hollywood North, both are non-Canadian, and reputable sources. Any disagreement must be equally countered with equally reliable and independent sources and not original research or synthesis. Mkdwtalk 19:44, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Just saw this - replaced sources with scholarly publication - as for the statement "In 2008 more than 260 productions were filmed in Vancouver, making it the third-largest film centre in North America - after Los Angeles and New York City - and second only to Los Angeles in television production in the world" ,,,, This does not seem correct as per Princeton University Press.Moxy (talk) 20:10, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
According to the Princeton source it was published in 2005. I know BC had a massive boom in 2007, but having some 2013 numbers seems preferable as I'm sure that statement is no longer accurate. Mkdwtalk 20:23, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
My issue relates to the characterization of it as a "film industry" nickname. With the insinuation it was a nickname bestowed upon by the city by a particular film industry. I'm not doubting that nickname exists but as i've mentioned to me it is more of a "media nickname" than an actual nickname used in the film industry. I have yet to see any sources provided to back the claim it is indeed an authentic nickname used within the film industry. The onus lies on that to be proved not to argue how it can be disproved. So as it stands I find the the passage somewhat misleading. Wikispeaks (talk) 00:38, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
ps. It appears the majority of people who are engaging me in debate here are also major contributors to the actual Hollywood North article and may have some vested biases. I'd appreciate it if we can get some other thoughts and opinions here? Wikispeaks (talk) 00:41, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Never seen that article - Moxy (talk) 16:20, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
What about your vested interests? Why is your usercontributions focussed on this issue? My "vested interests" would be from being a Vancouverite for most of my life, and an eyewitness to the growth of the film industry in Vancouver (which I no longer work in, and was only low-level e.g. bit-part actor, background; when the term originated I worked as editor for a small start-up magazine about the industry that's gone now). The "media nickname" accusation is of course to do with the local film industry being closely tied to the industry and the existence of film-media publications such as Hollywood North Reports. Previous attacks on this term came from a loyalist of the California film industry who seemed to be at war with the term "Hollywood North", challenging its legitimacy.....and you sound just the same. There's some sour grapes in your activities and your arguments; much ado about nothing, or actually about a common and well-established term. Oh "Metro Vancouver" is a media nickname for the GVRD, too, like "Metro" and "Vancity"......."the onus lies on that to be proved not to argue about how it can be disproved" is a nice blanket way of saying "even if you prove I'm wrong you can't prove you're right". But WP:MOSFOLLOW and WP:COMMONNAME applies, the term exists and had staying power. Doesn't matter whether you can disprove its legitimacy or not - because you wash your hands of proving that it doesn't have a right to be used.....which is really what you're saying. So out with it - what are YOUR "vested interests"? Why your one-editor campaign against this term. Whose interests do you represent....and don't claim you're an innocent bystander who's decided this is some kind of worthy cause.Skookum1 (talk) 03:56, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
PS how's the weather in LA these days?Skookum1 (talk) 03:58, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Wikispeaks, the sources we have provided ARE other opinions. So far you have only presented your own and nothing in reliable third party sources that support your claims. Mkdwtalk 17:26, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Weak claim - Vancouver is the 4th largest producer of films in Canada. Saying it's "one of the largest producers of films" is kind of grasping. Would 5th largest be worth bragging about? Classically only the top 3 are worthy of mentioning in any category, especially with the lack of large cities in Canada. Vancouver is the 3rd largest metro region and isn't even 3rd largest producer of movies. Weak. I really think this is one of those things that only Vancouverites say. Part of the confusion might be because people think Lionsgate is still Vancouver based, and they produce a lot of Hollywood movies. But they moved to the States long ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 02:50, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
I'd like to request that the article title be changed from just "Vancouver" to "Vancouver, British Columbia". This puts it in line with the "Vancouver, Washington" article and helps the readers more easily discern between the two cities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Warrigel (talk • contribs) 06:42, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Wrangled over long ago, you won't get anywhere with that. MOSTCOMMON applies, and the int'l most well known is Vancouver BC, pure and simple. Anyone who knows about Vancouver WA knows that it's not the main place referred to by that name. The previous discussions about this are all archived, maybe someone else will dig out the links for you, it's a moot point and, frankly, not worth raising again.Skookum1 (talk) 08:30, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
The ban on population estimates doesn't make sense. The unadjusted census data typically undercount the population. The postcensal estimates take into account CNU (census net undercoverage), and they are more up-to-date. Prairie oyster (talk) 05:45, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
I suggest making two sections out of this. "Music" and "Nightlife" are two different topics. I continue to change the list of composers to include a) more women, and b) more accurate information about the composers. "Alexina Louie" has not lived in Vancouver since 1980 (according to Wikipedia), and Jocelyn Morlock is a Vancouver-based composer since the mid-1990s who continues to exemplify the Vancouver sound...Runner ups include Jordan Nobles, Stephen Chatman, Keith Hamel, and John Oliver.