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Hindi language text[edit]

Request to add to article[edit]

Hopefully this is correct. If so, one can add this:

गन्गा तरन्ग रमणीय जटाकलापम्

गौरी निरन्तर विभुषित वामभागम्

नारायणप्रियम् अनन्ग मदापहारम्

वाराणसी पुरा पतिम् भज विश्वनाथम्

This can be added to Kashi Vishwanath Temple , if the source of the above quote can be mention as well! --Ekabhishek (talk) 06:38, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
What is this and in what context would you like it added to the article? Could someone comment on this? Blue Rasberry 06:27, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

From etymology section[edit]

I just removed the following text from the etymology section. It should be returned to that section if someone can provide a source for it and explain its significance. Secondarily it out to be translated.

Another reference to Varanasi is found in a hymn by Sri Veda Vyasa:

Ganga-taranga-ramaneeya-jataakalaapam,
Gauri-nirantara-vibhushita-vaamabhaagam.
Narayanapriyam-Ananga-madaapahaaram,
Varanasi-pura-patim bhaja Vishwanatham.

Can someone help with this? Blue Rasberry 06:30, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Holy city[edit]

I just removed the non-English text from the Holy City section. It began like this:

Varanasi is holy city in Hinduism, being one of the most sacred pilgrimage places for Hindus of all denominations and is one of seven most holy places for Hindus in India.

It should be returned to that section if someone can provide a source for it and explain its significance. I see that it is sourced inline to a Purana, but can someone provide a proper citation? Secondarily it out to be translated. Can someone help with this? Blue Rasberry 06:36, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Instead of removing why didn't you go ahead and find a citation? And relevance of Varanasi is what is being told here. Are you asking for relevance of relevance of Varanasi? In an article of Varanasi? I am reinstating along with a citation (found by searching... wait for it... 'garuda purana' on google. People like you are the reason people are leaving wikipedia left and right. Some one came and wrote something, taking pain in getting correct phonetics but failed to convince your arbitrary 'high' standard, so is subject to removal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.76.243.10 (talk) 13:25, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Climate[edit]

The information contained in the chart labeled "Climate Data for Varanasi" is inaccurate. A check of the citation (A webpage of the Indian Meteorology Department) reveals that the values on the wikipedia page do not correspond to the IMD records.

I am not certain whether the data kept by the IMD is accurate, since it is contradicted by Penn State's excellent webpage - wunderground.com (http://www.wunderground.com/NORMS/DisplayIntlNORMS.asp?CityCode=42483&Units=metric). In any case, the information in this chart is laughably wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bmhavumaki (talkcontribs) 16:10, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

You are correct. The data currently on the page is unreasonable and cannot be accurate, plus it is not the same as the IMD record cited in the currently used source. In addition to that, the source given is supposed to be weather data from 1950-1980, so it may be outdated.
Weather Underground is a better source. I updated the data to reflect what they are reporting for temperature. They have no data for precipitation, and looking at other weather services, it seems that no one else does either except for the IMD. Again their data is for 1950-80, so it is not ideal, but I know of no better source so I left that as it was. Thanks for pointing this out. Blue Rasberry 17:55, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Spam?[edit]

What the 8th link "Arunn Guptaa homepage"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex-engraver (talkcontribs) 18:49, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Expand the history section[edit]

The history section is too brief; I think it needs a detailed history that a city of 3000 years ought to be worthy of. In particular, I am curious about the dynasties that ruled the city, the number of times it had been destroyed/sacked by invading armies etc. all of which are part of the history of a city. PratikMallya Talk! 22:03, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

This article has a huge number of problems. I would do some work on it if I knew of a good English-language source for the history of this city, but I do not. Do you know of any book about the history of Varanasi?
There are two related articles which also have huge problems. The Kingdom of Kashi article is about the historical dynasties which ruled the city, and the Kasi Kingdom article is about the legendary history of Varanasi.
Help me find sources and then let's improve the article together. I am living in Varanasi right now - do you also happen to be here? If so let's meet up. Blue Rasberry (talk) 01:54, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Article rewrite by Abdullah.ansaari[edit]

user:TheMandarin reverted some revisions by user:Abdullah.ansaari for being original research and for deleting a section, presumably the section on the Ramleela festival. The Ramleela section had no good content and perhaps ought to go to its own Wikipedia page. The other content, while largely unsourced, seems like common knowledge about Varanasi to me and would better just be tagged with {{fact}} tags. I just reverted TheMadarin's revert. What objections exist to keeping this content? Blue Rasberry (talk) 21:32, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Ramleela is a very important event in Varanasi and though this section had bit of tone problems, it is extremely relevant. New introductions, "The Muslims play a vital role in politics and elections. The city north constituency has a tradition of electing a Muslim Ansari MLA", "many a Hindu girl has dreamed of a Varanasi silk sari for her wedding day. Even as they value the saris, Hindus look down on the Ansari" is just pure OR and unencyclopedic and carries a tone of communal disagreement. The section on Haj flights is also WP:UNDUE and is just common knowledge. Other changes such as removal of convert template and tweaking the distance, introduction broken image tag in Air section does not seem encyclopedic to me. The best thing to me right now seems to revert to the previous better version, cleanup some material. A section on Islam can be added after we convert it to something encyclopedic. --TheMandarin (talk) 04:56, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
I have re-introduced a bit of Ansaari's encyclopedic edits, mainly the section of Islam, which is certainly necessary. But the article as such needs cleanup and have tagged it. --TheMandarin (talk) 05:18, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Legendary History[edit]

This line in Legendary History: "It was at this very place where an unusual incident was observed, an indian crocodile seized a sleeping indian tiger on the bank of the river and dragged it into the water.[15]" is out of context with the rest of the section, does not describe a particularly noteworthy event, and is grammatically incorrect. Furthermore, the source that it cites, "Conspiracy at Meerut," does not contain the world "crocodile," according to a books.google.com search of it. As such, I am deleting it. 76.119.208.81 (talk) 15:15, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


Benares[edit]

I read the Etymology section with great interest; thanks to all who contributed to it. However, it would be even better if it mentioned at some point the origin of its English name, "Benares". Rwflammang (talk) 16:16, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

I do not have sources, but "Banaras" is the traditional Hindi name and "Varanasi" is the modern English name. If I found sources then I would change this. What is there is not incorrect, but it is not the whole story. Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:06, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

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Need disambiguation[edit]

While searching elsewhere, I found references to another "Varanasi" in Orissa, India. Also, Google Maps - http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1218&bih=826&wrapid=tlif133872407223910&q=varanasi+india+orissa&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x3a3c8db42f97f36b:0xb9044b26dfc18cc9,Varanasi,+Orissa,+India&gl=au&ei=AFjLT7iRPMifiQfcls2uBg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ8gEwAA - finds the place but displays the name of "Kashinagar". There appear to be pplaces of that name in at least three Indian states. Searching Google Maps for "Kashinagar, Orissa, India" produces a link for "Kashinagar, Andhra Pradesh" and clicking on that link produces a map that shows a Varanasi close to a Kashinagar. There should be a disambiguation page to ditinguish the two Varanasi places. 121.127.192.65 (talk) 12:36, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Islam in Varanasi[edit]

Standing high over the Hindu temples and shrines, <--
This verse appeared to be insulting the hindu people, I have removed it --Applez25 (talk) 12:31, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Wrong info[edit]

Varanasi does not qualify as a metropolitan city.The government of India has recognized only 11 cities as metropolitan cities(See definition used).So it is corrected as "Pilgrim City". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aks bhatt (talkcontribs) 16:32, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Where is the "definition used"? Where is this list of 11 cities, and where is the definition for "pilgrim city"? Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:06, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Note re: non-copyvio[edit]

In attempting to source the article, I found the sentence "Fog is common in the winters, while hot dry winds, called loo, blow in the summers." appeared elsewhere online. It was added to the Wikipedia article in 2006 [1]. The earliest I found it outside Wikipedia was 2007.[2] So it appears that that journal article copied the text from Wikipedia, and not vice versa. Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:20, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Sarnath[edit]

I am removing Sarnath (Varanasi district) from the article as it is near Varanasi (the city), but not in it. --Redtigerxyz Talk 04:24, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

I looked at what you did and I approve of what you did in this instance, but this article ought to reference Sarnath otherwise. Officially Sarnath is distinct but Sarnath is not distinct politically, historically, economically, culturally, or geographically. It is an area which borders Varanasi and is a significant part of Varanasi in many ways. That area needs some mention in this article. Blue Rasberry (talk) 05:06, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
Sarnath is clearly relevant here. Varanasi is venerated by Buddhists today because of it. Who is responsible for the bare URLS?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 11:45, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
Buddhists do not venerate Varanasi, they venerate Saranath. --Redtigerxyz Talk 05:20, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

No mention of Aarti??♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 17:29, 3 November 2012 (UTC)