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- 1 Planet
- 2 built in one day?
- 3 Female nude redirects here??
- 4 Rose as the "Flower of Venus"?
- 5 Iconography of Venus in Italian Art
- 6 Venus vs. Aphrodite
- 7 References and inline citations
- 8 fat god
- 9 Most recent pic
- 10 Etymology
- 11 Confused by headers
- 12 Neptune's Daughter?
- 13 Vulgivaga and Popularis
- 14 Can some one who knows, sort this out, ASAP?
- 15 Do we need the "History" section?
- Other references to Venus the planet are; Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli in Aztec, Kukulcan in Mayan,and Sif in Norse mythos.
- A good move. The point of this entry is to distinguish Venus from Greek aphrodite, and to discuss the new meanings of Venus as the generative power that animates the natural world: compare Jean Seznec's book. The woodcut is from Hypnerotomachia Pamphili ("The strife of Love and Death in a dream"), a famous book illustrated with arcane emblems that show a Renaissance "Court of Venus". I stash it here, for this would make a good illustration when the entry gets off the runway. Wetman 23:17, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Venus is the mother of the hero Aeneas. Another son on Venus is Cupid. Cupid is the god of love as is his mother Venus. She possesed all the charms and graces associated with womanhood. She was a child of the greatest god of Rome, Jupiter. Another story says that she rose from the foam of the sea from a shell. Her alter was made of roses. Her son used arrows to make people fall in love. One story says that when Venus walked, flowers sprang from her feet. Even thought all of these stories say different things, they all say that Venus was the goddess of love and beauty. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 17:41, 13 November 2006
built in one day?
"On April 23, 215 BC, a temple was built"?? they built it in one day? Kingturtle 10:13, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
Female nude redirects here??
Rose as the "Flower of Venus"?
I think there should be some mention of this and the mythology behind it. --18.104.22.168 03:23, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- Begin by finding where the rose begins to be called the "flower of Venus". There is no mythology behind it, you'll find; it's a poetical conceit. --Wetman 07:20, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Iconography of Venus in Italian Art
The topical catalogue "Iconography of Venus by Italian artists from the Middle Ages to Modern Times" is probably the largest available, discusses the methodology of the compilation and the ordering by topics of sculptures, reliefs, paintings, frescos, drawings, prints and illustrations. The date of creation, artist's name, title(s), type, medium/support and dimension of the artwork, the owner, inventory number and information sources are given. 649 Italian artists are identified and the catalogue lists 1840 entries, ordered by 18 topics and many more subtopics. An index of artists, a directory of owners and an extensive bibliography are included. 156 p. You can read a preview of 12 pages and download the pdf-file (924 kb) at
I also published an article based on this compilation : "A Quantitative Survey of the Iconography of Venus in Italian Art". The size of the sample allowed for a quantitative analysis of topics and distribution of works and artists over the time considered. A tentative analysis and results are presented.
I would be very grateful to receive your comments on both publications and possibly also notification of errors or omissions in the catalogue. homepage Benderk (talk) 17:25, 9 February 2008 (UTC)benderk
Venus vs. Aphrodite
As I've read somewhere, somehow, in some mental state (active or tired), Venus was originally not the love/reproductive sex goddess like Aphrodite, but more like a goddess of gardening and growth, and maybe childbearing. Or else I'm wrong, but if anyone knows the differences between Venus vs. Aphrodite, the section Venus in mythology would profit much from an enhancement. Said: Rursus ☻ 15:52, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
References and inline citations
- As I understand it there's a policy about vbcvbvcbvcbvc dgxxxxbnot deleting entries on the Talk page unless they're obvious vandalism. This would seem to me to fall into that category - the comment adds nothing to the discussion, and the lack of signature implies - in my suspicious mind - that the commenter intended nothing more than trolling. However I'm aware that I'm cynical and find assuming good faith more difficult than many editors, so I'm reluctant to delete it myself in case anyone wants to treat it with more respect than I think it's worth. If others agree that it's vandalism, they could take this whole section out. - Laterensis (talk) 10:27, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
- For examples of women more voluptuous than suburban middle-class taste admits, begin with Peter Paul Rubens, Pierre-Auguste Renoir, Venus figurines, "Hottentot Venus"--Wetman (talk) 10:55, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Most recent pic
I fixed the link provided by another poster. Not my favourite painter or painting but no-one cares about that; it's good to have something showing Venus and Mars, even if they're rather lost in the backdrop. Just can it be downsized a tad? Haploidavey (talk) 13:17, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
- If you're challenging this, I agree. Venus (the goddess) does not "mean" love or sexual desire. She personifies them. An etymology is given below: it needs reworking, but meantime we can take the bracketed phrase out of the lede. Haploidavey (talk) 22:56, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Confused by headers
We've a short section on her name (plus origins and etymology), one on her Comparative mythology (plus etymology) linked to Aphrodite, and another on her Roman mythology, which is also linked to Aphrodite. Each section seems to work on its own but together, they're repetitive. Any ideas or preferences on how best to deal with this? I'd do something positive here but am feeling particularly sheepish. Haploidavey (talk) 23:55, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
I had heard a theory that Venus was the daughter of Neptune, namely in The Pixie's song 'Mr. Grieves' ("What's that floating in the water? Oh Neptune's, only daughter"). Is there any mythology to back this up? Or is this simply an interpretation of Botticelli's 'Birth of Venus'? (As the clam rises from the sea) And if so, should it be mentioned? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 21:18, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Vulgivaga and Popularis
Vulgivaga as a supposed epithet of Venus occurs at Lucretius, De rerum natura 4.1071 (as noted by the OLD), where it's a poetic metaphor for a prostitute. It's Epicurean advice for men to make use of a "streetwalking Venus" to relieve sexual tensions rather than allowing themselves to be tormented by desire. It's definitely not a proper cult title or epithet of Venus, but rather the colloquial usage of venus (usually lowercase) to mean "sexual intercourse". Popularis seems to be a Renaissance Latin translation of Pandemos, specifically in translations of Artemidorus as here. Sometimes Pandemos is translated from Greek as Popularis as a title of Aphrodite, as with Pausanias here. Later allegories do oppose Venus Urania to Venus Popularis, but this would belong in a section on the allegorical tradition (which would be an asset to the article), not in a list of titles under which Venus was cultivated as a deity in ancient Rome. It's possible that Popularis is a legitimate title from antiquity, but we'd need a source. Cynwolfe (talk) 13:22, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- (Six months later) Yes, a section on the allegorical tradition is needed. Not that I'm volunteering to start one; but I'm sure I'd contribute oodles to such a section once I could see what it looked like. Haploidavey (talk) 16:21, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Can some one who knows, sort this out, ASAP?
it is on the Main Page today:
- 295 BC – The oldest known temple to Venus (Venus Anadyomene by Titian pictured), the Roman goddess of love, beauty and fertility, was dedicated.
The article give conflicting accounts of the first temple
- 253 BC on the Esquiline Hill
- 255 BC at the foot of the Aventine Hill, dedicated '19th August
Neither ties up with the Main Page.
The oldest known form of Venus is Venus Obsequens, whose temple was dedicated or founded in 19th August 295, near the base of the Aventine; it's connected to the Vinalia Rustica. That seems to be scholarly consensus among the sources in this article. Not sure where the Esquiline came from for Venus O, but now fixed in this article per source. Can't find 255 or 253 anywhere.
Venus Libitina had an Esquiline temple or shrine, but very little's known about her. Could you point or link me to the relevant Main page thingy? Might this be connected to the Esquiline Venus, the statue found on the Esquiline Hill? As far as I know, there's no attested official or major cult to Venus on the Esquiline (and I've not found sources that connect Libitina to the statue). Private cults to Venus are presumed ubiquitous; so too, of course, would be portraits of mortals as Venus. We need sources on the matter. Interim, I'll remove the reference to Esquiline cult in this article's Felix Venus/Esquiline Venus para. Haploidavey (talk) 08:11, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Also--the section mentions moving an image from Sicily near the "end" of the Second Punic War--isn't 217 the beginning? (Second Punic War: 218-201). The only reference I can find to moving an image around this time concerns an image of Cybele moved from Pergamon (modern Turkey).Wm Street 01:25, 19 August 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by William Lockwood (talk • contribs)
- Fixed the reversal of time, per sources. The importation of Cybele and others is footnoted. Thanks for catching that - a brain-failure on my part. Haploidavey (talk) 08:02, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Do we need the "History" section?
Having spent yonks writing it, I now think it's redundant. It just repeats... everything in the other sections. Twice is bad enough (what with the list of epithets - perhaps that should be hived off as a List article?) but three times is ridiculous. Unless anyone objects, I'll distribute "History" contents as appropriate throughout the other sections. Heigh ho. Haploidavey (talk) 19:09, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
- Done. The header's rather odd, and the section doesn't read too well, but there's less repetition. A bit less, anyhow. Suggestions for further distillations welcome; viz. how should this article be organised? Haploidavey (talk) 20:42, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
- I wish I knew. The main thing I would change, though, is to move the festivals down. There's no "Temples" section, or I would say "Festivals" should follow temples, since festivals often mark temple foundings. I'm not sure about putting "festivals" under "Names and attributes". I think general readers are looking for attributes and functions, so I would put those before the stuff that pertains mainly to Roman cultus per se. I don't know what to place "Epithets": some of this will be integral to festivals and temples. If the list of epithets gets too long, it could be a list article, and several of these could make little independent articles eventually. Cynwolfe (talk) 17:25, 16 August 2013 (UTC)