Talk:Vezina Trophy

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[added by Robert A.: do you agree?] Starting with the 1982-1983 season, the goal keeper judged the best in terms of his ability, skills (and not only on his goal average) gets the trophy...

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Totally unrelated to the article per se, but I am just interested if anybody knows: why did the NHL switch the criteria for the Vezina AND create a new trophy (Jennings)? Why not leave Vezina's criteria the same and have the Jennings Trophy be for the new criteria? I'd be interested to know if anybody with some hockey history background could answer that.

Player still active

I don't really understand the problem with saying "Player still active in the NHL" instead of just "Player still active". The pros of the first version is that it leaves no risk of misunderstanding since there are other icehockey leagues and some players may still have an active career in any of these. What is the big con with saying it? JdeJ (talk) 20:04, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

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Quote: "Under the original definition, there would often be multiple winners from the same team during one season. In the 1973-74 NHL season, Tony Esposito of the Chicago Black Hawks and Bernie Parent of the Philadelphia Flyers finished tied for the fewest goals against, the only time that there would be a tie between two players from different teams."

Under the old definition, the Vezina went to the team that allowed the fewest goals that season. Up until the mid-1960s, teams generally used only one goaltender, so his name was engraved. After that, any goaltender who appeared in 25 or more games was listed on the trophy. This is not so much "multiple winners," but rather shared credit. 1973-74 was simply the first time that two teams tied for the lead in fewest goals, and it happens that both were one-goalie teams.WHPratt (talk) 17:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

The rules used to specify that only the primary goalie qualified. In 1950-51 the Maple Leafs led the league in fewest goals, and Al Rollins got the Vezina, playing in 40 games. Turk Broda played in 31 (one shared game, apparently) but went unrecognized.

In 1964-65, again for the Leafs, Terry Sawchuk (36 games) and Johnny Bower (34 games) split the season almost equally as the team posted the best goals-against record. This led the league officials to revise the rules, listing both players, so long as each played in at least 25 games.

It would seem that Broda should have been recognized for '50-51 retroactively.WHPratt (talk) 04:27, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Jennings vs Vezina

To answer the question posed above: The Vezina trophy had a long history, but it was generally considered a weakness that it honored the team first and the individual indirectly. A team's primary goalie might have been the best in the league, as measured by individual goals-against average, but if the team's backup goalie(s) allowed too many goals, the trophy might go elsewhere. Supposedly, it was Glenn Hall vs Terry Sawchuk vs Jacques Plante, head-to-head . . . but the race also included inivsible records of the Detroit and Montreal backups who filled in for a few games compared to Hall (who always played every game). The subs could decide the race for the stars.

There were numerous campaigns to award the Vezina in the same manner as the Hart. When the last of these succeeded, the historic Vezina got the new and popular criterion, and the new Jennings Trophy picked up the less-highly regarded team criterion.WHPratt (talk) 17:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

criteria for winning

The criteria for winning the Vezina must have changed before the 80s. In the first season, Hainsworth was not the goalie who gave up the least goals or had the lowest goals-against average. I'm not surprised it's not covered in this list. The NHL and the HHOF web sites only mention the change in the 80s. I think we will need to update the history of the criteria for winning. I'm going to start researching this from old newspapers and sources. Any suggestions about any books that discuss the history of the trophy? ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 15:44, 20 October 2010 (UTC)