Talk:Vidya Balan

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
Featured article Vidya Balan is a featured article; it (or a previous version of it) has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Wikipedia community. Even so, if you can update or improve it, please do so.
Main Page trophy This article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on December 14, 2012.
          This article is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
WikiProject Biography / Actors and Filmmakers (Rated FA-class)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.
Featured article FA  This article has been rated as FA-Class on the project's quality scale.
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers (marked as Mid-importance).
 
WikiProject India / Kerala / Cinema (Rated FA-class, Low-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject India, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of India-related topics. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page.
Featured article FA  This article has been rated as FA-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Low  This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by WikiProject Kerala (marked as Mid-importance).
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by the Indian cinema workgroup (marked as Mid-importance).
 

Date of birth?[edit]

What's the issue with her date of birth? As per multiple sources, her dob is 1 January 1978. Please confirm, here are some sources; [1], [2]. - M4nag3r(-)rC[Reply] 08:46, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

No issue - it's there now! :) ShahidTalk2me 09:42, 25 August 2010 (UTC)




Date of Birth : January 1, 1982
Education : St. Antony's School and St. Xavier's College
Family : She belongs to an Iyer middleclass family. Father - P R Balan (Vice-President of ETC channel), Mother (House maker), Elder Sister.
City : Palghat, Kerala, India
Occupation : Bollywood actress and Fashion Model
Languages : Tamil, Hindi, English, Malayalam, Bengali

References: http://www.vidyabalan.net/biography.htm
www.matrimonialbank.com/bollywood/vidya-balan.html SauravCP 20:31, 20 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sauravcp (talkcontribs)

  • Unfortunately, both the sources you mention are unreliable. Please give a read to RS to gather an idea of what may be considered reliable for a biography. Wifione Message 07:08, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Well[edit]

The recent removals made by Active Banana were well-intentioned, but unjustified. The role of Silk Smitha, her second real-life character is properly sourced in the article. As for the costars and the film's stories, there's nothing wrong with that. It can always be useful to write who her costars are and how the films were received, and this is perfectly sourced, so there's nothing to prove. ShahidTalk2me 15:44, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

"how the films were recieved" is completely unacceptable without sourcing. Active Banana (bananaphone 17:21, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Correct. But it's sourced. ShahidTalk2me 17:45, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
And i disagree about the inclusion of co-stars. What does it tell us about the subject of the article? Nothing. Without some third party sourcing indicating something about the co-star being in the same film having outside impact (like bradgelina in Mr. & Mrs. Smith or long lasting film partnerships of Cosby & Hope in "The Road to ...." movies, or the actor later stating that "I learned so much about acting from being in X movie with actor Y" or the actor later joining with co-star to write and produce a film because they clicked on the set, or some long lasting public fued that started on set) otherwise for the purposes of an article about this actor it is just fame by association. Active Banana (bananaphone 17:28, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Can't really agree. It may not be necessary, but it's essential information. According to me, it does add a lot of value. In this case, the fact that she played the mother of Amitabh Bachchan, whose children are her seniors, is important. ShahidTalk2me 17:45, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
WHAT does it tell us? Any analysis and commentary needs to be from third party sources, not Wikipedia editors placing choice bits in a row to make the reader come to some conclusion. Active Banana (bananaphone 20:40, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
We do not make our readers come to conclusions. We just present facts. There is nothing wrong with mentioning costars from time to time. As I said, it's essential info. And it's really no big deal for me to have a long debate about that. It's acceptable and there's nothing wrong with it, period. ShahidTalk2me 07:45, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Again, attempting to place selected items to lead readers to come to a certain conclusion is a violation of WP:SYN. Active Banana (bananaphone 14:47, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Script[edit]

In the past there were several edit wars on the article with different users changing the script from Malayalam to Tamil and vice versa. As a result all the scipts have been removed and a note was added (not by me) NOT to add any scripts. According to Balan, her mother tongue os both Tamil and Malayalam. There's been peace on this page, do not bring back the wars. ShahidTalk2me 08:37, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

The article doesn't mention her saying that her mother tongue is "both Tamil and Malayalam". She only says that we speak a mix of both Tamil and Malayalam. The mother tongue of Palakkad Iyers is Tamil and the Tamil they speak has slight mix of Malayalam. --Commander (Ping Me) 12:00, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
"we speak a mix of both Tamil and Malayalam" means they speak both Tamil and Malayalam in equal parts, and "home" is mother tongue in a certain way. Let it be, as already mentioned by Bollyjeff, scripts are too divisive. ShahidTalk2me 21:24, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi.Look I bring up a valid claim and the correct change to be made in wikipedia such that its info are proper and right one. User ShahidTalk2me Plz find yourself that since you had some bad time with others why take all the same. I do edit based on the truth and want wikipedia also to stay in true content. Ok. why should I make up a fight here, if I bring genuine reasons and trying to explain you all who object this simply to hide the truth and ignore the important fact. Try to understand it first. We all here for some purpose. And I feel I am doing that. Thats's it. There are enough sources and references says she is a tamilian by birth. Although Palakkad in kerala, they are referred to as Tamils. And so her mother tongue is ONLY Tamil. Practically think TWICE since the settlement happened some years ago, practically people living there will be bound to speak a little Malayalam. That is natural. But you cant say becoz of this her mother tongue is "Malayalam and Tamil". If tamil tag is added to her name, why you guys see it as if it is a crime. Plz make familiarize yourself with the fact of the matter. Be genuine and accept the right change. Dont be rude and aggressive in ignoring important modifications & corrections like this one.

Sources:

        http://www.hindustantimes.com/photos-news/Photos-Cinema/meettheallnewvidya/Article4-492685.aspx
        http://www.facebook.com/pages/Vidyabalan/135477859863158
        http://bollyworld.net/bollywood-profiles/vidya-balans-profile/
        http://www.bollywoodvillage.com/index.php?option=com_celebrity&view=celebrity&task=detail&id=163
        http://www.jointscene.com/artists/Bollywood/Vidya_Balan/252
        http://www.chakpak.com/moviepedia/bollywood-actress/1268
        http://www.facebook.com/notes/celebrity-pictures/vidya-balan-spicy-pictures/132486496500
Also note in Tamil people Geographic distribution section, People who got settled in Palakkad are treated as Tamils. If some people are not aware of this, its right call for them to listen with others or do their own BASIC research and try to get the point explained and make the necessary change in the article, giving Wikipedia a better place for true facts and data. ---- Ungal Vettu Pillai (talk) 02:10, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
First, you started your comment with a full speech that is unnecessary and irrelevant to the issue. Second, all the sources you've cited are unreliable (please familiarise yourself with WP:RS), and the only one that's supposedly reliable is Hindustan Times, the text of which is copied directly from WP itself. So not a single source in your list is useful. The most important proof is what Balan herself says, by the way, and this was given in my source. I honestly couldn't care less about what her mother tongue is (although you are clearly ignoring the link I have cited above in which she says she speaks a mix of both at home). What I do care about is the fact that this article's script issue has been a great reason for even greater edit wars in the past. Someone would add Tamil and someone would add Malayalam, then someone would delete this or that and it was tiresome. To bring back this, oh no no, it's not done. In doing so, you, Keyan20, went in violation of WP:CON, and could get yourself in trouble. In the article it is already said that her family is Tamil speaking (which will be checked). I personally am against the addition of script, it is the English WP anyway - scripts are not necessary at all, and it maybe important only to those who have some obsession with it. ShahidTalk2me 10:53, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi.First I believe you think to yourself that what you do or like should be the final, leaving behind others explanation & sticking to your own rules and policies. It is 100% certain, I made it very very clear and detailed that She is a Tamilian by birth & so her mother tongue is Tamil and why are you guys totally trying to ignore this important fact and skipping it wan-tingly to avoid it, completely. Don't try to ignore facts and make people cheated. Why should I be in trouble if I make right calls and true edits in Wikipedia. Better you revise yourself and try to learn what others say and explain. I think once you set yourself, you won't change even after proving facts and data. Is that so??. "I honestly couldn't care less about what her mother tongue is" --- clearly says, you won't accept changes or allow people to edit because of your liking. Don't try to make faults one me and divert your actions. You yourself know that She and her family are Tamil-Iyer people and still you wont allow to make changes. This is very very bad and please don't set yourself a bad remark and also Wikipedia for not allowing true changes to be made here. It is seriously high time to think can there be any justice done here until some true Wikipedians exist and allow to do true works here.
How silly you are and saying ---- "Someone would add Tamil and someone would add Malayalam, then someone would delete this or that and it was tiresome." In that case, are you trying to say, that this page won't get any updates and modifications in future?? So you want this page to be like this for-ever with all improper & incorrect facts. That's why I say, you are blocking all true edits and not allowing changes here. If anybody adds other scripts try to explain them and cite the true fact that I am explaining now or protect this page just like other pages. Simply for this reason, you wont allow edits means that is very very bad, worst. Please someone take care of this dominance shown by these editors. ---- Ungal Vettu Pillai (talk) 03:32, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
First of all, I do not own this page, and the first sentence of your recent message is just an invention of yours. I do not want everything I say to be the last word, actually that's why I started this discussion. Secondly, please mind your language. Thirdly, there's nothing to explain to someone as Balan herself says she speaks a mix of Tamil and Malayalam at home. The scripts actually were not removed by me. It was another editor who did it and added the hidden note (which you for some reason decided to ignore). I want more people to participate in this discussion, so that we have a broader number of opinions. ShahidTalk2me 10:17, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm not concerned with the script issues, but I don't think it's wise to mention that Tamil and Malayalam as her mother tongue. Balan saying that "we speak a mix of Tamil and Malayalam" doesn't make Malayalam as her mother tongue. In Tamil Nadu a lot of Telugu speaking people also speak Tamil to some extent at home, but that doesn't make Tamil as their mother tongue. --Commander (Ping Me) 12:54, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Mother tongue[edit]

According to this source, Vidya Balan herself states that her mother tongue is Tamil and she speaks "Palghat Tamil" (Slight mix of Malayalam). I think it's wise to include her name only in Tamil. --Commander (Ping Me) 01:59, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

It's not at all said. She said her Tamil is Palghat Tamil and that's all. And maybe that's this mix which is sourced to The Hindu article? Please do not ignore that she speaks at home "a mix of Malayalam and Tamil". That can't be overlooked, and that was the reason the scripts were removed. ShahidTalk2me 09:13, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
Wt about other Tamil Keralites?? Secret of success (Talk) 14:29, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
She might speak Malayalam, but it's nowhere stated that Malayalam is the mother tongue. --Commander (Ping Me) 14:36, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
Well, the question is what's her mother tongue. She is a Palakkad Iyer. The mother tongue of Palakkad Iyer is Tamil. She rightly says Palakkad Tamil, that is a Tamil dialect that has Malayalam influence, like there exists a Kongu Tamil, a Madras Tamil, a Madurai Tamil or an Iyengar Tamil. She says Palakkad Tamil, not Palakkad Malayalam! If you asked for her monther tongue, it's clearly Tamil, so her name should be added in Tamil script. Johannes003 (talk) 15:59, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Johannes003 is so worried about linguistic aspects. Please be logical, rather than getting carried away by your love for your language.

  • There is an article about Kerala Iyers. So, it is very appropriate to put the link of Kerala Iyers, while describing Vidya's community.
  • The article clearly says that "According to Balan, they speak at home "a mix of Malayalam and Tamil", but she is also well versed in Hindi, English and Bengali". This is well enough to convey the information about her linguistic abilities. Why you are insisting to add the word Tamilian in the article? Please be logical here.
  • The place where Vidya was born is a village named Ottapalam and not in Palakkad town. Ottapalam is around 40kms from Palakkad town. Ottappalam is also not near TN border. So, in the infobox, the birthplace should be Ottappalam, and not Palakkad.
  • Since she is working in Hindi films, and is very popular in Hindi, it is logical to add her name in Hindi also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.193.160.10 (talk) 03:35, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
You will have to cite sources for Ottapalam. Scripts - only for the mother tongue. What's her mother tongue? Needs sources. ShahidTalk2me 06:48, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Okay guys, we have yet to find a source with Vidya Balan saying what her mother tongue is. This will have to be really worked upon. Till then - no scripts. We cannot engage in daily reverts which only hamper the developement of the article. I've already started expanding it a time back, and I don't think I'd be able to with such problems. ShahidTalk2me 06:47, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I give it up. I have explained in detail what her mother tongue is what that line - a mix of Malayalam and Tamil - means, but looks like some anonymous user doesn't even try to understand that. Why am I insisting to add Tamilian, god, because she is! I can speak Tamil, English, German, Dutch, French, so what? How are "linguistic abilities" by any means related to someone's ethnicity or mother tongue, please dear user, you have to explain me that! And I am being accused of being a "linguistic fanatic! And she is not from Kerala Iyer community, where does she say so? Anyway, I don't mind removing the scripts till even the last man on earth is convinced! Johannes003 (talk) 11:34, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Dear Johannes, I personally have full trust in both you and Vensatry. I reverted myself, and I think as of now we can base the script on the TOI source which says her mother tongue is Tamil (although it's not a quote). Meanwhile, I will try to find some interview in which she talks about her mother tongue. This entire discussion as well as the previous one should definitely be considered a consensus that only a Tamil script should be there, and if anyone, including the anon, adds another script, he will be reverted. It might also be useful to ask for page protection. Thank you. ShahidTalk2me 13:20, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Hey Shahid, I know that you would understand, but not everyone is as clever and insightful as you. If you want to remove the script until it's 100% proven, fair enough, I have no problem with that. Thank you all the same! Johannes003 (talk) 14:21, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Do you have citations that she is not from Kerala Iyer community? The mother tongue is a mix of Malayalam and Tamil. Hence both scripts should stay. Also, why are you reverting the addition of Ottapalam in the infobox? Do not complicate things. Please answer point by point. Pasting my points/questions again.

  • There is an article about Kerala Iyers. So, it is very appropriate to put the link of Kerala Iyers, while describing Vidya's community.
  • The article clearly says that "According to Balan, they speak at home "a mix of Malayalam and Tamil", but she is also well versed in Hindi, English and Bengali". This is well enough to convey the information about her linguistic abilities. Why you are insisting to add the word Tamilian in the article? Please be logical here.
  • The place where Vidya was born is a village named Ottapalam and not in Palakkad town. Ottapalam is around 40kms from Palakkad town. Ottappalam is also not near TN border. So, in the infobox, the birthplace should be Ottappalam, and not Palakkad.
  • Since she is working in Hindi films, and is very popular in Hindi, it is logical to add her name in Hindi also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.193.160.9 (talk) 04:19, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Now, I have removed all scripts from the article. Till a consensus is reached here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.193.160.9 (talk) 04:23, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, there is consensus already and three editors agree on the same. There's also a source saying her mother tongue is Tamil. Need no more. ShahidTalk2me 08:51, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Comment to IP What are you trying to say? If she is a Kerala Iyer, what is the need for her to speak Tamil. Think logically. --Commander (Ping Me) 12:00, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Yuu may first be aware about the facts rather than going with your linguistic fanatism. Kerala Iyers are Iyers settled in Kerala. Their mother tongue was Tamil, and a new generation speaks more Malayalam than Tamil. --192.193.160.10 (talk) 11:11, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

When she herself has stated that her mother tongue is Tamil, whats your problem? Secret of success (Talk) 11:19, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm aware of that. She is well known as a Palakkad Iyer rather than a Kerala Iyer. Not all Kerala Iyers are Palakkad Iyers. You are the one who is trying to promote your linguistic fanaticism and no one else. --Commander (Ping Me) 14:38, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Dear sir, please understand that Palakkad is in Kerala. Kerala Iyers are divided in to two: Travancore Iyers and Palakkad Iyers. Please read the article about Kerala Iyers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.193.160.10 (talk) 04:21, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Dear IP, looks like you haven't got my point. It would be better if you read my previous comment once again. --Commander (Ping Me) 08:51, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
It looks like the IP editor has exhibited problematic behavior on many occasions. Just have a look at his talk page and contributions. S/he looks more of like a POV pusher. --Commander (Ping Me) 09:01, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
I have added a source (published by Hindu) which states clearly that she is a Tamil girl from Palakkad Iyer community. Do we still need any more sources ? --Commander (Ping Me) 09:41, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
I guess not. Palakkad Iyers may speak more Malayalam, but they are officially recogonized by the government as Tamils. Just add the script and semi-protect the page for some time. Secret of success (Talk) 08:16, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Reaction to The Dirty Picture[edit]

According to Hindustan Times, the film got universal acclaim from critics. Here are the reviews and comments about Vidya:

  • The Hindu: "Vidya Balan performs with an attitude that Scarlett may never be capable of. This is the single-most boldest performance by a woman in the history of Indian cinema not because of the reels of cleavage, in almost every frame in fact, but because of the large frame she flaunts and carries off on screen in an age where heroines are called fat if they cannot maintain a size zero figure. Vidya apparently put on 12 kilos for this film and they all show. It needs some amount of guts and sass to pull it off and she sizzles in this role tailor-made to show off her acting chops."
  • HT (Mayank Shekhar): "Looking at the one playing the female protagonist here, Vidya Balan – Paa, Ishqiya, No One Killed Jessica, and this – it appears, that change could well originate from the leading lady instead. This is Balan’s, or for that matter any contemporary Bollywood heroine's, ballsiest role so far."
  • Rajeev Masand: "Despite the film’s shortcomings, you go the distance for Vidya Balan, who’s riveting as Silk. She plays the part with gusto – it’s a rare performance, one that’s this brave and uninhibited. Vidya pushes the envelope in the way she bares herself both physically and emotionally. Watch how she stops traffic by dancing on the bonnet of a car to disrupt a party she isn’t invited to, or the scene in which she saucily lounges naked in a bathtub while giving an interview to a journalist. Vidya’s lack of vanity and complete surrender to her craft reinforces why she’s miles ahead of her contemporaries."
  • Rediff (Raja Sen): "It's a very demanding part, and Balan shows that she's worthy of both wolf-whistles and applause. It's a dazzling performance -- and a remarkably brave one, considering we live in a country so cinematically repressed that an actress wearing a bikini top in her next film is worthy of page one in every national daily. Constantly convincing, Balan proves so dynamic that she even makes her parts of the tinny SalimJaved-lite dialogues work. There is a lot of talk of legitimizing the lewd and the hypocrisy of audiences and critics, and Balan might as well be talking about herself in this film, and not Silk, and she delivers the lines in fiery style. She's a treat."
  • Rediff (Sukanya Verma): "Vidya lends her so much transparency, aplomb and sauciness, the outcome is far more awe-inspiring than it deserves to be."
  • Times of India: "It goes without saying that the film belongs to Vidya Balan and she does absolute justice in playing her part to perfection. Not only is she bold in terms of her body language, she comes up with an audacious act and brings out the inner turmoil and pathos of her character effortlessly."
  • Times of India (Nikhat Kazmi): "She gives a towering performance as the protagonist who remains unapologetic about her life till the very end. The high point of her act is the fact that despite portraying a sex bomb, her sexuality never ever gets vulgar and crude. Instead, there is an endearing quality to her attempts to shock and awe a staid society that thrives on the fake."
  • India Today: "Vidya much like the part she plays is the only actress who can give not only the heroines but also the heroes a run for their money. She is shamelessly sexy - sticking her tongue out lusciously, heaving her bulging cleavage, rolling on a bed faking an orgasm and then she is equally audacious in her downfall. Not just mental but the harder one for Indian actresses - physical. She lets it all hang out emotion and belly. I can't think of another actress who's allowed herself to look this brilliantly ugly in every way. Take a bow Ms Balan - you are here to stay long after beauty and vanity bids the others goodbye."
  • India Today2: "Well, get ready for a force of nature performance in Vidya Balan."
  • Deccan Chronicle (Khalid Mohamed): "She’s extraordinary: gutsy, consistently in character and unafraid of exposing her darker side. Here’s the kind of complex performance which you haven’t evidenced in years and years. This award-winning act bookended by her contrasting portrayal in No One Killed Jessica, reaffirms her as the finest artiste on the scene today. No contest!"
  • mid-day: "A standing ovation to this lady, who bites into this once in a lifetime role with such passion that she becomes Silk. So much so, that she might just be capable of bringing in the much needed changes in the power equations of Bollywood, if only she is given enough chances to do so."
  • DNA India: "And Vidya brings all that -- the flamboyance, the sensuality, the heartbreak -- to her role (and without coming across even a tad vulgar)."
  • ShahidTalk2me 13:59, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
The Express and Mumbai Mirror do not agree. X.One SOS 07:26, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
Do not agree with what? They totally praise Vidya's performance. ShahidTalk2me 08:47, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
Yes, but they do not talk positively about the film as a whole. X.One SOS 10:10, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Mentioning Caste[edit]

Dear Editors!
There has been a discussion on India Portal related to mentioning of caste of subjects. The point is that mentioning caste of people, who have nothing to do with their caste, is found to be unnecessary by few editors. Hence the caste of the subject person needs to be deleted from the biography. I am not deleting the caste as of now but am only posting this here so that the regular editors of this article are well aware of it beforehand and no edit-wars take place. For details of discussion held on the portal please refer Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Mentioning_caste_of_Individuals. Your views if any are welcome there or even here.
And.... as the reasons of exclusion of caste pointed out were "irrelavant to notability of subject person", "privacy of the subject person", "inclusion of caste is like branding individuals", etc. other information included in the article which also fall under these cases will also be removed after discussions. Examples of it included religion, non-notable spouse's and children's and parents' information, previous occupation, lived in places, non-notability related educational qualification, etc.
Your views on this are also welcome here or at the India portal. -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 17:25, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Not here, please. There is a community discussion taking place at WT:INB and I would advise people to read the entire discussion before forming an opinion because the above summary is incorrect. Nothing more need be said here. - Sitush (talk) 02:12, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

File:Vidya balan 01.jpg Nominated for Deletion[edit]

Image-x-generic.svg An image used in this article, File:Vidya balan 01.jpg, has been nominated for deletion at Wikimedia Commons in the following category: Deletion requests February 2012
What should I do?

Don't panic; a discussion will now take place over on Commons about whether to remove the file. This gives you an opportunity to contest the deletion, although please review Commons guidelines before doing so.

  • If the image is non-free then you may need to upload it to Wikipedia (Commons does not allow fair use)
  • If the image isn't freely licensed and there is no fair use rationale then it cannot be uploaded or used.

To take part in any discussion, or to review a more detailed deletion rationale please visit the relevant image page (File:Vidya balan 01.jpg)

This is Bot placed notification, another user has nominated/tagged the image --CommonsNotificationBot (talk) 08:54, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

Toolbox

See WP:DEADREF
for dead URLs

This review is transcluded from Talk:Vidya Balan/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Dwaipayanc (talk · contribs) 15:40, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Review comments[edit]

Hi! I will do the review. The article looks pretty good. The references looks ok, although there are a few inconsistencies (which is not a problem for GA). Some random small mistakes in the prose were also noted. I am mentioning a few of those below:

  • P.R. Balan, her father, is the Vice President of etc now. But when she was born, etc was non-existent. So, you should add that the father is vp now, or tell what was he at the time of birth.
  • second paragraph of the lead begins with the pronoun she. A new paragraph should not begin with a pronoun, tell her name.
  • "... Encouraged her too complete her education..." It should be "to complete".

If I find any such minor problems, I will fix those myself. If there is any major issue, of course will mention here. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:40, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

 Done --S.M.A.R.O.J.I.T (talk) 03:42, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


  • "Balan next appeared in a leading role in Sajid Khan's comedy Heyy Babyy as Isha Sahni, a deceived, single mother". What is a deceived mother? It either needs more explanation, or (in case explanation is lengthy) removal.
  • "The film which also featured Akshay Kumar, Ritesh Deshmukhand Fardeen Khan emerged as a box-office success with a worldwide gross of 83.68 crore (US$15.82 million),[27], but critics were negative about ...". An extra comma after the superscript.
  • "while performing a street play by the same name in 1989" You mean the play was named Halla Bol, right?
Yeah, changed it to a "street play of the same name".
  • " was listed as "India's hottest vegetarian" by a poll conducted by PETA". Which year?
  • "for two consecutive years (2010-11)". Should be endash.--Dwaipayan (talk) 14:29, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 Done--S.M.A.R.O.J.I.T (talk) 15:59, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
  • the lead mentions that she lives with parent at Khar. But this info is not mentioned in the text of the article.
Mentioned.
  • the lead has two terms within quotation marks. Ornamental roles and female hero. These should be mentioned in the text also with citation. I understand that the text has other wordings that convey similar meaning , with citation. Howev, since you are quoting those two terms from somewhere, you should include the exact terms with citations, in the text.
The quote "female hero" is linked and cited in the "Media image and artistry" section. Removed the quotation mark for ornamental characters.
  • Just for the sake of update, I saw that in Kahaani article, an editor made some edits today regarding the sequel. The director has mentioned that Balan will star in the sequel. If you think the source is reliable, you can update here in future projects. However, this is not that much important. --Dwaipayan (talk) 17:22, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, but the film is still in the scripting process, so I decided not to include it just yet. --S.M.A.R.O.J.I.T (talk) 03:51, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Review list[edit]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Recent Edits on Awards and Honors,Filmography...[edit]

Recently, I have made contributions those are not non-constructive edit, I have provided reliable sources for each that means whatever i have added, are 100% true So there should not be any reason for reverting, Please my edits should not be reverted any more, Thank You Greatuser (talk) 10:28, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi. First, you are a very good editor, and have been improving briskly. And there is no doubt about your good intention in this particular case either. However, the reason why we are advocating against a separate section on awards is as follows.
All the major awards have already been mentioned in the text of the article. The awards are mentioned following the mention of respective films that she did. So, adding a section merely enumerating the awards would be rather repetitive.
Moreover, there is already [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_and_nominations_received_by_Vidya_Balan an article ] on the awards and nominations of Balan. And that list is linked under Filmography of this article.
one more point. While you are adding the references in an acceptable way, for featured articles references need to follow a pattern. They need to be consistent in minor details such as the use of capital letters. While you are following usual rule to add new references, they do not necessarily follow the intricate stylistic issues that are already being followed in this article. So, you need to be even more cautios.
Now, all these being said, I am not personally against adding a section on awards on any bio articles. But in this case, especially with the featured article candidacy running, I think it would be better not to add that section.--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:14, 11 November 2012 (UTC)



"She initially drew criticism for her weight and dress sense" in lede - how? could this be clarified in lede?[edit]

How was her weight criticized - why not say for her fluctuating weight (or what ever the issue is)? Also, what is "dress sense" mean? Could you clarify in lede since otherwise the reader has to wade down into the article to figure this out. Thanks, MathewTownsend (talk) 14:36, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Right. I get your point. Clarified. --smarojit (buzz me) 14:52, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Why was this article not up for main page nomination for 1 January?[edit]

The date, being her birthday would have been much more appropriate, and would have not been that far away either! Why was this article not nominated for that date? TheOriginalSoni (talk) 08:30, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

It was. But following a discussion, this article was chosen as it has a better relevance on New Year's Day. And Balan's article is now being featured on her wedding day, which is even better. --smarojit (buzz me) 08:40, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Oh. Alright. Thats sounds great too! TheOriginalSoni (talk) 08:56, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Awards merge[edit]

  1. Oppose - It is way too long to merge here. Why would you even consider it? BollyJeff | talk 13:45, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
  2. Oppose - I also oppose it because the award article is long enough, and soon it also is going to be a FLC nominee Greatuser (talk) 14:19, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
  3. Oppose - Given the size of the parent article and the awards page (considering the fact that she has received 40+ awards) it's practicable to warrant a standalone article for the awards page. Vensatry (Ping me) 14:59, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
  4. Oppose - Per above. --smarojit (buzz me) 04:38, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
  5. Oppose As explained above.--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:26, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

language films -> cinema[edit]

In the lead section it links Hindi, Bengali and Malayalam to the various cinema industries but use of the links is in the context of the languages. Hindi, bengali and Malayalam should be linked to language or language films should be changed to cinema, Thank You A Great User 06:17, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Yea, I don't understand the point of this edit. What exactly are you proposing? Hindi, Malayalam and Bengali all link to their respective film industries, and the sentence mentions that she has acted in films of these three languages. --smarojit (buzz me) 06:22, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
One of this edit must be contributed to article
who appears in Hindi, Bengali, and Malayalam cinema. OR who appears in Hindi, Bengali, and Malayalam language films A Great User 07:30, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
The latter is better. Why do you want to change it anyway? --smarojit (buzz me) 07:35, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 20 February 2013[edit]

Please change year of birth from 1978 to 1979. Please change place of birth from Ottappalam (Kerala) to Chembur (Mumbai). Pyarebalan (talk) 05:09, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —C.Fred (talk) 05:20, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Actually I found a reference in here. So changed it in the article.--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:03, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 20 February 2013[edit]

Kindly Change "P R Balan , currently VP of ETC India" to "P R Balan, currently Executive Vice-President - Corporate Affairs and HR Head of Digicable Network (India) Pvt. Ltd." Pyarebalan (talk) 05:16, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —C.Fred (talk) 05:20, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Surname[edit]

I am really wondered about the prevalent usage of the subject's Patronymic name (Balan) in this article. Generally, South Indians don't affix family surnames. In this case, Balan is the name of her father and not a family name. Taking into consideration of the fact that she is a South Indian, shouldn't she be referred to as Vidya? Vensatry (Ping me) 10:44, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm interesting point. But since "Balan" has been adopted as her last name (even though it's her dad's name and not her family name), is there any reason for change. --smarojit (buzz me) 11:20, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Adopted by whom? I see a majority of sources calling her "Vidya" rather than "Balan". Vensatry (Ping me) 12:28, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
No, majority of sources does not call her vidya only. She appears in movie credits as Vidya Balan. And since she is an actor, the way she appears in film credits is perhaps the way she wants to be known/is known.--Dwaipayan (talk) 13:43, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
No am not at all questioning about the name of the article. My question is with regards to the surname usage in this article. Vensatry (Ping me) 15:47, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

She was born in a Tamil Family.[edit]

I would like to have an explanation from the user for reverting my edit. My edit was properly sourced but still it was removed, why? Pearll's SunTALK 13:25, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Because the fact that she speaks both Tamil and Malayalam at home has been sourced and mentioned. Also, the article has passed FA as is. --smarojit HD 15:34, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Speaking a language at home doesn't necessarily mean a mother tongue, yes that line was source and the other line i included was also properly sourced, her mother tongue needs to be mentioned in the article. I fail to understand why FA should prevent an article from being edited? Wikipedia is where people edit to make the article better. Pearll's SunTALK 16:40, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm making the necessary changes to the article, and if you feel that something needs to be done to improve that please feel free to do the same. Thanks. Pearll's SunTALK 17:38, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Please wait for consensus from other editors. I don't think that any changes are required at the moment, as the language(s) she speaks at home is pretty clear. But let's wait for what other editors have to say about this. --smarojit HD 17:49, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, i'm waiting. But since if someone says that i speak Russian at home doesn't mean that I'm a Russian, if you look above there is a detailed discussion about her Mother tongue and it was left undecided as a proper source at that moment didn't exist, now we have one and yes, i think that this change is required in the article as anything regarding someones identity is a must. Pearll's SunTALK 18:05, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

It's clear from the sources that the actress hails from a Palghat Iyer family. Just like other Kerala Iyers, the mother tongue of these people is Tamil. The Tamil they speak at home has a slight mix of Malayalam. But that doesn't necessarily mean Tamil is not their native language. Vensatry (Ping me) 17:08, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Reader feedback: this page needs a lot more p...[edit]

202.4.173.63 posted this comment on 17 July 2013 (view all feedback).

this page needs a lot more pictures and information

Any thoughts?

- sms- talk    14:14, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

This is very vague. The article has been thoroughly researched and all the important information has been provided. Also, there are 7 pictures in the article. --krimuk 90 04:30, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Place of Birth[edit]

The place of her birth was changed by me, but was reverted hereby user:Krimuk90. Probably I should have given an english translation of the quote in the reference. I will give the translation of the statement given by Vidya Balan in the interview..

The quote in malayalam

അഭിമുഖത്തിനൊരുങ്ങുമ്പോൾ വിദ്യ രണ്ട് ഉപാധികൾ വച്ചു. "എന്റെ നാട് ഒറ്റപ്പാലമല്ല. പാലക്കാട് പുത്തൂർ പൂതംകുറിശ്ശിയാണ് എന്നെഴുതണം. വിക്കിപ്പീഡിയയിൽ അങ്ങനെ ഒരു തെറ്റുണ്ട്. മനോരമ അത് തിരുത്തണം. അച്ഛനും അമ്മയുമുള്ള കുടുംബചിത്രം പ്രസിദ്ധീകരിക്കണം"

Translation

While getting ready for the interview, Vidya put forward two conditions. "Ottappalam is not my native place. You should specify that it is Puthur Puthamkurissy in Palakkad. There is such a mistake in Wikipedia. Manorama should correct that mistake, and publish a family photograph with my parents."

--Drajay1976 (talk) 04:50, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Interesting. This should definitely be included if she said it herself. But there are many sources in the internet that said Ottappalam and that's why it was mentioned in the article. Any input from other editors? -- KRIMUK90  05:09, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Another point. The same mistake was there in the Malayalam Wikipedia article (ml:വിദ്യ ബാലൻ) about the actress. That was corrected citing the same reference (ref no 5 in the article). The issue is that this particular article is not available online. --Drajay1976 (talk) 06:11, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, thanks for notifying us. The article has been fully protected, so I can't edit it. Let's hear what other editors have to say, reach a consensus, and then ask an admin to make the required changes. -- KRIMUK90  06:26, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Place of birth needs to be changed to Puthoor Puthamkurissy in Palakkad District of Kerala, which is incorrectly mentioned as Ottapalam in Palakkad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Satishrk (talkcontribs) 08:59, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Drajay1976 (talk · contribs) is there an English version of Manorama that has published this interview? Since this is the English Wiki, it would be much better to have one. Cheers! -- KRIMUK90  08:59, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Krimuk90, sorry, I could not find an English Version. --Drajay1976 (talk) 17:29, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

No issues. Thanks a lot for the providing the original source. Much appreciated. :) -- KRIMUK90  03:32, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 3 March 2014[edit]

change birth place- puthur,palakad. ottapalam is not correct Jomjjose (talk) 15:44, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:04, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 3 March 2014[edit]

The birth place of Vidya Balan is not Ottapalam. Actual Place is Poothamkurissi, Puthoor, Near Palakkad Town, Kerala. She is mentioned about this mistake in Wikipedia article in Sunday Supplement of Malayala Manorama daily from Kerala on 02 March 2014. Please do necessary changes... Thanks in advance.. Mr.anoopthomas (talk) 16:04, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:05, 3 March 2014 (UTC)