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Ufology[edit]

I have no problem with Wikipedia containing UFO garbage, so long as it's labeled as such. Someone fix please this page, so we know which parts of its fantastical claims are disputed and which parts aren't....--Carl 15:28, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I feel that the content of the article at present indicates quite well that the Vimanas are currently mythological devices... So all that is described can be clearly interpreted to be fiction... until proven otherwise. So there need be no dispute on the neutrality. The NPOV dispute is not justified. Prashanth 00:50, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I agree. I am now satisfied that in its present form, the article is neutral. --Carl 03:20, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It is true that Vimanas are part of a worldwide mysterious appearance of flying vehicles, sometimes amazingly well described (i.e. technical details) and always containing similarities. Myths from the Near East (Ezekiel, Henoch, Exodus), myths from South America (Bep Kororoti), and the presented myths from India (Vimanas).

How much of this "UFO garbage" is garbage? User:Stefan Kruithof

Last time I looked into this, most of the "technical details" associated with Vimanas were from the Vimana-shastra (or something like that) which was supposedly ancient but was in fact produced by some twentieth century pandit, supposedly by autodictation. Not to say that "UFO garbage" isn't an impolite term for it... -- कुक्कुरोवाच|Talk‽


How about a separate article to Toaplan's arcade game Vimana? [1]

That's fine, just put a link to Vimana (video game) at the top of this article and write it. --Carl 11:48, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

This isn't really "UFO garbage," because it's something that the ancient (Asian) Indians wrote extensively about, and even if it's not true and just stories, it's part of history, just like Greek and Roman myths are a part of history. And Ezekiel and Exodus are not myths.129.15.167.97 06:24, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

While interesting, there is a big lack of source evidence. I'd appreciate it if someone could back up the otherwise fascinating quotes from these ancient indian texts with page/chapter numbers and what translation or book edition they got the quote from. Otherwise it could just as likely be made up. BV, 23.1.07

Anyone could have written this page and made it up out of whole cloth. Is this the fate of Wikipedia, to be the repository of all the world's lunatic theories? I have read many Vedas, etc., and never encountered anything remotely like this. I agree with the above anon. user, Ezekiel and Exodus are not myths, and I'm not sure this article even rises to the level of "myth". It's just pure rubbish. Do we have to have an exhaustive analysis of every crazy thing ever written in the history of man? No server is big enough to hold the world's babblings... Nirigihimu 15:33, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Sources are a big issue with this article. The Mahabharata passage cited "Gurkha flying in his swift..." is cut together from different parts that are used out of context, according to Colin Biggs, this widely cited fake excerpt of the Mahabharata was introduced by Charles Berlitz in his 1974 book The Bermuda Triangle (chapter 8). It is fake. A wild regrouping of phrases he used to support his theory. There is a minor posibility that he used an other thranslation or even tried to translate himself, yet given the current official translation that passage is just fake and should be removed. there are other passages in the Mahabharata that are better suited to examplify Vimana. --AnaxolCortez 22:32, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Being a Hindu I have read the Epics Ramayana and Mahabharata and I and 99.99% of Indians(i.e 20% of the world) knows that in Ramayana Ravana of Lanka(Sri Lanka) used a Vimana. Ramayana is the story of king Rama and the major chunk deals with the kidnapping of his wife Sita by Ravana and the invasion of Lanka by Rama to rescue Sita. Ravana is supposed to have used his Puspaka Vimana to Kidnap Sita and it also mentions a mid-air fight with a bird Jatayu which tried to rescue Sita. Also the weapons used are also common knowledge. In fact the description of destruction caused by BrahmAstra is very similar to the nuclear weapon. In Mahabharata many such weapons are described. Most of them Chemical based.

For the Ignorants I would like to mention that India performed surgeries around 2000 years ago and has a book for it. Most of such surgeries were performed in Europe only in the 19th century. In fact the nose cosmetic surgery mentioned in the book is still used and is called the Indian method.

Most of the medicines patented every year used most of the ingredients used by Indians for thousands of years and documented in the ancient text Ayurveda and most of them include an Indian scientist.

Yoga is practiced in India for thousands of years and there are written texts for it. It has exercises for specific internal functions of the human body when the rest of the world didn't even know the functions of each internal organ. They taught meditation to the whole world.

There are many other ancient texts on Mathematics, Astronomy and many such subjects.

I agree some sections of the article needs to be edited/changed but most of the objections are due to the fact that people can't accept that Indians were so advanced. Indians were the first to Built an Urban city and the Indus valley civilization was much bigger in size then all the ancient civilizations put together. There are hundreds of settlement sites from almost Afghanistan to the south of India stretching for many hundreds of miles.

User:Nirigihimu please check the meaning of Encyclopedia. It is supposed to include everything.

07:09, 8 July 2007 User:Slkanth

  • Could someone please say which of the matter in the section Vimana#Mahabharata comes from the Vaimanika Shastra? Some people seem to treat the Vaimanika Shastra as part of the Mahabharata, but almost certainly the Vaimanika Shastra is spurious and was written around or after 1900 AD. Also, the Mahabharata including later additions is enormous and a more detailed reference for each item quoted would be useful. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:26, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Noncompliant tag[edit]

I've added the tag due to statements like, "However, a Google image search by User:Robsahl found several archeological websites about the skeletons at Mohenjo Daro..." —Viriditas | Talk 11:20, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

These are only cutlural cross references and are to some extent absolutely correct, the only modification required is that of the UFO theory as even if it is true the topic is debatable hence I am editing the aricle to make it neutral .

Seems good[edit]

This appears to be a categorical listing and brief summary of ancient indian mythologies, why is this in question? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.172.242.87 (talkcontribs) 20:04, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

The answer to your question is found in the noncompliant tag, in the form of links to Wikipedia policies. If you have time to improve the article so that it meets those policies, then remove the tag. —Viriditas | Talk 22:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Vimanas in the Vedas[edit]

In the Rig Veda the word used that was interpreted in the 19th century for chariot was vimana, so the idea that the concept of the vimana as a flying machine is post vedic is post vedic is in error. Also we find that there were energy weapons used sometimes termed as Indras iron thunderbolt was used during many battles to destroy the iron forts of the Dyasu, There were at time hundreds of thousands of people that died during dingle battles, These weapons were used via the vimanas which the deva used. The term deva was also erroneously interpreted as gods by the first translators and this has stuck. The term deva just meant a type of being that was not asura. The deva fought the asuras and this is the main theme of the rig veda. There in the older sections metaphors of the devas battling on the cosmic realm. This is found most frequently is the battles long ago between Indra and Vrtra. In some of the songs Vrtra lays upon the mountains blocking the rivers leaving a parched land where few people of animals lived. Indra struck Vrtra with his iron thunderbolt and released the floods and the rains came and the land turned to pasture and many cattle were found. Indra released the cows from the cave. This is an apt description of what happened at the end of the ice age. In this case Vrtra was the vast glaciers that lay atop the vast mountain ranges and then something happened, a great light in the sky and the ice melted. There are several possibilities as to what this might of been. About 13,000 years ago the Vela supernova exploded and it was near enough to bathe the solar system with enough radiation to significantly alter the climate. The second possibility is that a meteor struck and the blast brought about a climate change that ended the ice age and was responsible for the mass extinction of the mega fauna. The third possibility is that there was a vast explosion that destroyed the mega fauna and ended the ice age. Over Michigan about 13,000 years ago there was vast explosion that was the equivalent of a many giga ton nuclear explosion. The university of Michigan and McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada found that there was explosion that would have vaporized everything over a vast area of Ohio, Michigan, Indiana and Ontario that deposited vast amounts of radioactive fallout that can still be detected in the soil today. There is plutonium in the soils of all these area and plutonium is not known to exist outside of atomic reactions. What it really was no one knows, but it did happen. The researchers found that the blast was large enough to destroy the mega fauna east of the Rocky Mountains. They also stated that it reset the carbon 14 clocks and so it should be considered that many of the sites in the area around the centre blast area just north of Detroit instead of being 11,000 years old could be as much as 30,000 years old or more.

In the later Srimad Bagavatam there is a terrible war where Nrsimha Deva weilds a terrible weapon that destroy whole seeming continents and defeats the asuras. In this account emissaries come from many different planets after the devas defeat the asuras. They are are of course flying Vimanas. When we look at some of the scientific concepts found in the Rig Veda we find that they are extremely advanced. In 164th song of the 1st rig veda we find an exposition of astrology that did not exist again until the 17th century, and in many ways goes beyond what was found then and in fact resembles the astrology used by western astrologers in the 21st century. In there we find the concept of 4 elements, three qualities, sulpher salt and mercury. Seven planets, twelve signs and everything goes around the sun. These concepts were never found in ancient Roman or Babylonian astrology, other than the seven planets and 12 signs. The elements and qualities were only developed into the astrological system during the 18th and nineteenth centuries and refined in the twentieth century. And yet this fully developed system in found in a book that is at least 1400 years old and written down in the 8th century BC. The Babylonian astrology only developed in the 5th century BC and was not nearly as advanced as the system found in the Rig Veda.

No matter what you think about astrology it is constantly developing and advancing in the western systems and was only fully developed and refined the latter half of the twentieth century. The same system is found in the Rig Veda. The context in which the first Veda is found appears to be at the end of the last ice ice. The first veda is the oldest veda and yet twentieth century concepts are found there.

So did they have flying machines too?

Brian T. Johnston http://atlantisincanada.yolasite.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.70.52.59 (talk) 08:02, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Vimanas in the Vedas[edit]

In the Rig Veda the word used that was interpreted in the 19th century for chariot was vimana, so the idea that the concept of the vimana as a flying machine is post vedic is post vedic is in error. Also we find that there were energy weapons used sometimes termed as Indras iron thunderbolt was used during many battles to destroy the iron forts of the Dyasu, There were at time hundreds of thousands of people that died during dingle battles, These weapons were used via the vimanas which the deva used. The term deva was also erroneously interpreted as gods by the first translators and this has stuck. The term deva just meant a type of being that was not asura. The deva fought the asuras and this is the main theme of the rig veda. There in the older sections metaphors of the devas battling on the cosmic realm. This is found most frequently is the battles long ago between Indra and Vrtra. In some of the songs Vrtra lays upon the mountains blocking the rivers leaving a parched land where few people of animals lived. Indra struck Vrtra with his iron thunderbolt and released the floods and the rains came and the land turned to pasture and many cattle were found. Indra released the cows from the cave. This is an apt description of what happened at the end of the ice age. In this case Vrtra was the vast glaciers that lay atop the vast mountain ranges and then something happened, a great light in the sky and the ice melted. There are several possibilities as to what this might of been. About 13,000 years ago the Vela supernova exploded and it was near enough to bathe the solar system with enough radiation to significantly alter the climate. The second possibility is that a meteor struck and the blast brought about a climate change that ended the ice age and was responsible for the mass extinction of the mega fauna. The third possibility is that there was a vast explosion that destroyed the mega fauna and ended the ice age. Over Michigan about 13,000 years ago there was vast explosion that was the equivalent of a many giga ton nuclear explosion. The university of Michigan and McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada found that there was explosion that would have vaporized everything over a vast area of Ohio, Michigan, Indiana and Ontario that deposited vast amounts of radioactive fallout that can still be detected in the soil today. There is plutonium in the soils of all these area and plutonium is not known to exist outside of atomic reactions. What it really was no one knows, but it did happen. The researchers found that the blast was large enough to destroy the mega fauna east of the Rocky Mountains. They also stated that it reset the carbon 14 clocks and so it should be considered that many of the sites in the area around the centre blast area just north of Detroit instead of being 11,000 years old could be as much as 30,000 years old or more.

In the later Srimad Bagavatam there is a terrible was where Nrsimha Deva weilds a terrible weapon that destroy whole seeming continents and defeats the asuras. In this account emissaries come from many different planets after the devas defeat the asuras. They are are of course flying Vimanas. When we look at some of the scientific concepts found in the Rig Veda we find that they are extremely advanced. In 125th song of the 1st rig veda we find an exposition of astrology that did not exist again until the 17th century, and in many ways goes beyond what was found then and in fact resembles the astrology used by western astrologers in the 21st century. In there we find the concept of 4 elements, three qualities, sulpher salt and mercury. Seven planets, twelve signs and everything goes around the sun. These concepts were never found in ancient Roman or Babylonian astrology, other than the seven planets and 12 signs. The elements and qualities were only developed into the astrological system during the 18th and nineteenth centuries and refined in the twentieth century. And yet this fully developed system in found in a book that is at least 1400 years old and written down in the 8th century BC. The Babylonian astrolgy only developed in the 5th century BC and was not nearly as advanced as the system found in the Rig Veda.

No matter what you think about astrology it is constantly developing and advancing in the western systems and was only fully developed and refined the latter half of the twentieth century. The same system is found in the Rig Veda. The context in which the first Veda is found appears to be at the end of the last ice ice. The first veda is the oldest veda and yet twentieth century concepts are found there.

So did they have flying machines too?

Brian T. Johnston http://atlantisincanada.yolasite.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.70.52.59 (talk) 08:06, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

  • The natural forces that may have been misinterpreted as gods' energy weapons are:-
    1. Thunder and lightning.
    2. Volcanic eruptions.
    3. Big meteorite falls.

NPOV?[edit]

"In Swami Dayananda Saraswati's "translation", these verses mean..." Come off it. It's either a translation or it isn't. Or an interpretation, but "translation" is snarky. Kortoso (talk) 22:25, 4 August 2014 (UTC)