Talk:Voice leading

Counterpoint

Sgmanohar 20:05, 7 August 2005 (UTC)should this stuff be better integrated with the material on Counterpoint?

Does the idea of voice leading have much application outside of counterpoint? I think not. I also think the material on auditory streams deserves a separate article; one which amplifies the streaming laws mentioned in passing, and that the Voice leading and Auditory stream articles should reference each other using See also: links. yoyo 03:12, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Are you requesting an expansion of auditory stream information, or are you saying that the merging of the two stubs was inappropriate? Hyacinth 01:52, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Definitions

• "The term 'voice leading' refers to the way in which individual voices move from chord to chord. The best voice leading occurs when all individual voices move smoothly. You can achieve this by moving between chords using the same note or moving up or down by a step in the inner voices of the chord, whenever possible....Chords are voice led..."
  • Thomas, John (2002). Voice Leading for Guitar: Moving Through the Changes, p.3. ISBN 0634016555.

Hyacinth 08:42, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Continuity vs relationship

Any reason that "relationship" is preferrable to "continuity" in the lead? Hyacinth 01:52, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Examples

This page could really benefit from notated examples, even if they are very simplistic. Matt.kaner 21:05, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Vertical and horizontal

The intro paragraph uses "vertical" and "horizontal" without defining them. Anyone know what is meant by this? --Doradus (talk) 01:09, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd love to define them, but I lack the software for producing musical example—the obvious way of doing this. Anyone got suggestions? I'm not buying software for the purpose (I used to own Finale). Mac OSX. Tony (talk) 02:02, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

vertical and horizontal refer to the printed musical score. So, "vertical" refers to the sequence of notes played simultaneously, i.e. harmony, while "horizontal" refers to sequences of notes in time, i.e. melodies.--Todd (talk) 16:52, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Vertical (music) redirects to interval (music). Hyacinth (talk) 22:56, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Jargon

What is some of the jargon which needs explanation in the article? Hyacinth (talk) 10:13, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I don't have my music dictionary close at hand, but in answer to your question, it all boils down to the multiple meanings of words in musical terminology. Think of "tone," "voice," "note," etc. Each of them could fill a page! To someone who got "into" music at the age of one, such problems are barely noticed, and we think and communicate in such terms without problem. But when trying to explain new ideas, it's hard to be precise. In this article, for example, "voice" is being used in a certain way. Think of a choral composition written for SATB (sopranos, altos, tenors, and basses -- or soprani, alti, tenori, and bassi). Each group of singers sings a "part," also called a "voice," which is a sequence of notes, like a melody. All singing together, they harmonize. "Voice leading" simply refers to making the decisions of which notes each voice will sing. In moving to the next chord, should the altos go down a third or up a fourth? Should the tenors jump a diminished fifth or repeat the same note? And so on. It's simply a kind of decision-making used in choral (or other) music composition. The problem is how to convey that idea to the general reader. Unfree (talk) 18:22, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

You deserve thanks from all of us for taking the time to sit down and write this Wiki article.  Voice leading is an interesting and important concept in music.  But in all fairness your article really is in need of more than just being edited.  To make it more readable, and the subject more understandable, your article actually needs to be rewritten.   The reason I'm saying this (and in no way am I putting you or your article down) is that "voice leading" can be viewed as being either a verb phrase describing an act or action (i.e. the act of composing, arranging, or performing music), or as a noun phrase describing a concept in music (i.e., a word that encompasses the various elements and forms of formal and informal music harmony, and how they relate to each other).   It looks to me like you tried to get in a little of both in your article.  By starting your article off with a definition of the verb phrase "voice leading" (something that could be included in the English Wiktionary, for example) you basically provide the definition of the phrase first, which you can then follow up with in your article by describing the concepts of "voice leading" when it is used as a noun phrase.  Here's a brief and relatively correct definition of the verb phrase "voice leading" that I'll offer to you as a way to begin your article:

"Voice leading (also called "parts writing") is the process of applying the formal and informal rules and principles of harmony when composing, arranging, or performing vocal or instrumental music."

You can then take it from there to go on with describing some of the concepts in the noun phrase part of 'voice leading', as you were originally doing in your article.  If you'd like, drop me a line on my Talk page if you'd like to further discuss your article. K. Kellogg-Smith (talk) 17:37, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

If you know enough to want to know what voice leading is, you know what the jargon means —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.166.80.208 (talk) 20:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

I think we all knew that, even if we didn't know what voice leading was. Hyacinth (talk) 19:21, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Are there any specific terms in the article that need simplification or explanation? If so, where are they located in the article? Hyacinth (talk) 19:21, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Lead

Rather than a problem with jargon, the problem in the article is with the lead, which barely defines the topic, does not provide context, and lacks internal links, never mind summarizing the article. Hyacinth (talk) 01:47, 14 February 2011 (UTC)