Talk:Vought F4U Corsair

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Night Corsairs in Korea[edit]

The part about Korean war states that "Corsair night fighters were used to an extent." However, in Variants, we are told that F4U-4E and F4U-4N "would see great use during the Korean war." Surely "used to an extent" and "great use" can't both be correct, so which one is it? Khilon (talk) 07:52, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

British Corsairs fate[edit]

I've heard a story from several different sources that at the end of the war quite a few of the Corsairs used by the british were actually dumped overboard. Can anyone help verify - and if true could it be added to the article?

99.139.200.184 (talk) 10:11, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

It is correct. Per Barrett Tillman's 1979 book, p. 103:

…most of those on hand by VJ Day were unceremoniously dumped in the ocean. The US Navy had more aircraft than even it could use, and the lend-lease provisions held that all equipment retained by the British Commonwealth had to be paid for.

Kablammo (talk) 18:52, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
The Abrams book goes into greater depth:

The other task of the carriers was a melancholy one—that of dumping Lend-Lease aircraft into the sea off Sydney. Under the terms of the Lend-Lease agreement, aircraft that were retained had to be paid for, or they had to be returned to the United States. The US did not want the aircraft and the British did not want to pay for them, so there was no alternative and the waste was inevitable.

Abrams (1977) p. 83. Kablammo (talk) 23:08, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Speaking as someone totally outside this subject, I find this point interesting and notable, not to say melancholy, but do not understand why, given the available citations, no one has yet added it to the text. JonRichfield (talk) 13:23, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Query regarding propellor[edit]

The F4U and P47 were designed around the same engine, the F4U having a three-bladed propellor and the P47 four blades. Given the gull-wing design came about as a way of giving the propellor sufficient ground clearance without making the gear struts too long, why didn't Rex Biesel simply design the aeroplane with a four-bladed propellor? Surely one extra blade would mean the length of the blades could be shorter, requiring less ground clearance? Andy Loates Jr (talk) 11:56, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

  • Typically, that's the case, and later F4Us did have four-blade propellors. FWiW, a design decision early in the process, could be later changed. Bzuk (talk) 14:29, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Generally you want to have as few blades and as large a diameter as possible. Each extra blade reduces propeller efficiency (weight, induced drag, tip loss and interference drag) while longer blades are more efficient but reduce the maximum rpms that can be applied. Adding an extra blade increases drag (so the aircraft uses more horsepower for the same speed) but allows more power to be applied, upping the top speed and acceleration if sufficient excess power is available. The change between 3 and 4 blades coincided with an increase in engine power.NiD.29 (talk) 14:59, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

NZ Corsairs[edit]

"60 FG-1Ds which arrived post war were given serial numbers prefixed NZ5600 to NZ5660". This sequence is actually 61 planes - so what is the right number? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.223.83 (talk) 10:44, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

I removed the serials as we dont normally list them but it I understand that the sequence actually started at NZ5601 (to NZ5660) but since it was added here is has rippled into loads of wikipedia mirrors and repeated in all sorts of websites but try http://www.adf-serials.com/nz-serials/ MilborneOne (talk) 18:54, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Speed units[edit]

Seems odd that many of the speeds are given in mph and km/h but not in knots. Kendall-K1 (talk) 12:45, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

thatch weave[edit]

It is not totally correct to say that thatch weave exploits f4u's strengths. Thatch weave was developed for f4f's which turn worse and are as slow as a zero. The only advantage they have against a zero is greater durability under fire and a higher volume of fire. To exploit this you would act in pairs and weave to clear each other's sixes. That is a desperation maneuver. F4u on the other hand has a huge speed advantage, is comparable or better in acceleration, has a huge dive advantage etc. compared to zero. Thatch weave is not needed in f4u since you can just push your nose down and disengage. The zero pilot will either have to follow you and get shot down by your wingman when flying straight , or turn and go away, in which case you turn too and shoot him down. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.226.253.34 (talk) 06:53, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

British Designation[edit]

The impression given here is that the marks were clear cut based on U.S. model type as well as manufacturer. In reality, they were classed only by manufacturer; Corsair MkII were Vought (F4U-1, -1A and -1D) and the MkIV were Goodyear (FG-1A and FG-1D) AND these (MkIV) came from the factory with clipped wingtips. (I believe the MkIIs were clipped in service.) JetMec (talk) 21:43, 4 December 2013 (UTC) [1]

Article structure and readability[edit]

Anybody any thoughts on this? There's some fascinating info that people have added to this article. I personally though found this hindered in terms of clarity by long sections that could be improved in terms of readability. I've had a go at:-

  • adding some section headings to reduce the section size
  • structuring things into a more logical sequence (eg having the WW2 sections next to each other)
  • Tidying up what I think were formatting errors with some sections not being correctly aligned

Even with that, I'm still not convinced its yet perfect and does justice to what was a remarkable aircraft. There in though possibly lies part of the problem. For an aeroplane with so many points of note, its going to toy with our heads in terms of finding and deciding the optimum structure.

Opinion anyone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.29.212.16 (talk) 01:31, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

PS There's other stuff in there that still doesn't seem to be in the correct place in my humble opinion (eg some of the stuff in the 'Legacy' section.

Anyone up to having a bash at tidying it up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.29.212.16 (talk) 01:47, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

188, feel free to have a go at it. There have been a few prior discussions in the talk page archive (see, for example, the section on comparision with the Hellcat) which may be helpful. Kablammo (talk) 15:50, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
(Comment from uninvolved editor)It might be more helpful to ask for peer review on this article. It's rather hard to comment on readability and "perfectness" from an objective viewpoint. I'm not suggesting that asking for comments on the article formatting isn't useful, just that peer review might offer more.FMMonty (talk) 00:34, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Recent changes[edit]

First, welcome to the new editors here, who appear both well-informed and motivated to improve this article. Some items for discussion:

  • The USMC has been substituted for the USN as primary user in the infobox. The USN had almost twice as many squadrons flying Corsairs as the USMC. I don't have the raw numbers of aircraft. I've had a look at some of the sources (I have most of the Corsair-specific print sources) but so far it appears that the BuNos simply list planes allocated to the USN, which includes the USMC.
  • The changes to make the aircraft more carrier-friendly included a simple technical modification to the oleo strut, greatly reducing the rebound on touchdown.
  • The first carrier with combat-ready Corsairs was CV-17, which on arrival in Hawaii for the first tour of duty had its Corsairs removed not because of technical aspects, but because the Navy did not want to carry parts supplies for both the Hellcat and the Corsairs on carriers. VF-17, unwilling to give up its planes, elected to go land-based.
  • Toward the end of the war Corsairs were placed aboard the fast carriers in preference to Hellcats. I will find the reasons, but I think I recall part of it was the Corsair's superior speed.

As new content is added, please include the sources. As shown above, some of the new changes may be subject to disagreement, hence good sourcing is important. Kablammo (talk) 16:08, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

  1. ^ Time Capsule Fighter Corsair KD431 David Morris