Talk:Vulcan salute

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Ease of use[edit]

"raising the ring finger alone without assistance from the other hand is impossible for most people." I realize it is difficult for some people. But to say "most people" is a little rash. Maybe theres factual information on this somewhere? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.176.230.87 (talk) 23:10, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

It's a weasel word. -andy 212.114.254.107 (talk) 14:23, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I agree, the article wording is nonsense. It's trivial for large numbers of people to do the salute without significant practice. The stuff about shared tendons in particular is nonsense - yes the ring and little finger share a tendon and so it is harder to manipulate them independently but in the Vulcan salute these fingers remain together so the shared tendon is irrelevant! I've had a go at rewording this bit, no doubt an enthusiastic article watcher who is Vulcan-salute-challenged will revert it instantly... Mu2 (talk) 00:04, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Why do people claim that this is hard to do? I've been able to do it since I was old enough to know what it is, how difficult is it to seperate your fingers? MattUK (talk) 21:11, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

For me its actually hard to keep the pink and ring finger together. It is not an intuitive movement to do for most people. But it is possible, with some effort. And with some more effort, it would become as natural as the peace symbol is for most of us. - 88.159.237.128 (talk) 15:40, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

I actually find it much easier to do the Vulcan Salute than the peace symbol. - Spencer8ab (talk) 23:52, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

It's easy if you play the piano. Lateral independent movement of the fingers is essential for playing chords. -- megA (talk) 17:01, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm certain that it is very difficult for the vast majority of people to do the Vulcan salute, and that this has to do with anatomy (something I'm thoroughly educated on). Those claiming that doing the Vulcan solute is easy are like contortionists or ambidextrous people suggesting that what they can do with their body or hands, respectively, should be easy for others to do. If there are WP:Reliable sources addressing the difficulty of doing the Vulcan solute, it should be covered in the article. Currently, it's not. Earlier this hour, I saw mention of the Vulcan salute (with regard to phones) on the news (HLN) and tried to do the Vulcan salute; I couldn't do it. Then I headed straight to this Wikipedia article to see if there is anything in it about the difficulty of using this salute. Flyer22 (talk) 16:42, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't have any special training (like piano), but I've always been able to do it easily on one hand, whereas on the other it's always been very difficult. I assumed it was genetic. Based on that assumption, I found: [1]. Not a reliable source, but provides some insight. Perhaps other (better) sources can be found. --Fru1tbat (talk) 18:25, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for giving your perspective, which is interesting; I appreciate you weighing in on this. Flyer22 (talk) 18:29, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Origin[edit]

I heard Leonard Nimoy speak at a corporate event in 2000 and he described how he based the salute on the Cohen blessing that he witnessed in synagogue as a child. --Cje 21:19, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

He also explains it in his autobiography, I Am Spock page 68, where he gives an account of his visit to the synagogue Rooster613 (talk) 16:31, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Vulcan Language Pronunciation[edit]

The Memory-Alpha article states the following: "In Vulcan, "Live long and prosper" is pronounced "Dup dor a'az Mubster". (Star Trek: The Motion Picture)" This is contradictory to the current Wikipedia article text: "(Dif-tor heh smusma in Vulcan language as spoken in Star Trek: The Motion Picture)." I'm inclined to agree with the M-A article's transliteration. Changing it now, please comment here if you change it back (and perhaps contribute to the M-A article as well) :) john factorial 19:55, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

According to many other places, it is : Tich tor ang tesmur —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drlf (talkcontribs) 20:33, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

ST:TMP Vulcan isn't exactly canon, since the actors spoke their lines in English and were later overdubbed with what could match their lip movements. -- megA (talk) 16:55, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Thumbs[edit]

The picture might be the inspiration for the Vulcan salute, but it should be pointed out that in the Vulcan salute, the thumb is extended.

That's correct. Can someone please change the picture? 86.154.59.213 17:30, 4 October 2007 (UTC).
Sorry, forgot to login. Above post actually posted by microchip08 17:36, 4 October 2007 (UTC).
I uploaded a photo demonstrating the salute. --Robert Daeley (talk) 01:34, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
This criticism is correct for the Jewish version also -- the thumbs should be extended with tips touching. Beware of imitating old Jewish diagrams for kabbalistic subjects. Some artists purposely changed a detail in order to avoid giving away secrets to the uninitiated. Ditto for carvings on gravestones, etc. So yes, please re-do the picture!Rooster613 (talk) 16:21, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Deletion[edit]

This article does not need to be on an encyclopedia at all. Instead, it should be deleted, and a reference or trivia point to the "Vulcan Salute" should be made under a Hand Gestures article. --GnarlyLikeWhoa (talk) 18:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Stop being a deletionist. It's annoyiing. Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia, and there is plenty of room, especially for something as recognisable and significant in some parts of our culture as this. Michael1115 (talk) 01:37, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Other Uses[edit]

What about when Marty uses it in Back to the Future? He does this when he dresses up as "Darth Vader" from "Planet Valkan." He threatens to melt George's brains with rock music.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.8.11.200 (talk) 13:43, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Nerdfighter Salute[edit]

Umm what? This is really noteworthy? May I suggest this section and the picture be candidate for deletion. 75.150.224.85 (talk) 14:07, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Hebrew translation[edit]

The article states "Shaddai" means "Almighty". That isn't the real hebrew interpretation. Shaddai is a hebrew Acronym "shin"-"daleth"-"yod" meaning "Shomer Daltoth Israel" translated as "Guard the doors of Israel" or "The guardian of the doors of Israel". It it's originally a name given to him as reminder of Passover (where he kept the houses - doors - of Israel from the plagues), and is used on the Mezuza (Jewish doorpost ornament and religious protection symbol).

So where did the interpretation as 'Almighty' came from? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Shaddai#Shaddai_in_the_Midrash — Preceding unsigned comment added by MensIuguolo (talkcontribs) 17:37, 7 September 2012 (UTC)