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Introduction[edit]

I have created this page and resorted the wikilinks to WABAC, Way back machine, etc. to sort out what seemed to me to be an inaccurate arrangement. Previous pages for wayback machine redirected to the Internet Archives, while the WABAC page redirected to Mr. Peabody. Seems to me the article is more accurate now, reflecting the original WABAC machine, the use of the term in popular culture, and the Wayback Machine of the Internet Archives. Happy to discuss the matter. The article certainly needs a bit more development; I did what I could. Bdushaw 04:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Not altogether happy with the size of the image file for the WABAC machine...its too big. Bdushaw 04:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC) Fixed now, I think - using indexed color pallete. Bdushaw 05:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Renames[edit]

This since article displaced the link to Internet Archive#Wayback Machine, it would be courteous to fix the links that referred to the IA's WM.--75.36.173.201 03:55, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

The article replaces the page that just redirected to Internet Archive. What links that refer to IA's WM are in error? Bdushaw 04:25, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
There is a judgment call here: There are many (several hundred) links to IA WM because of linkrot and the list is likely to grow (see length of WLH). People traversing those links to get to the IA WM should not have to deal with this cartoon.--76.203.125.247 03:49, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I see - you mean the articles that link to "Wayback Machine". Humm... Those links should be fixed, true. As I mentioned above, I objected to the use of "Wayback Machine" to mean exclusively the IA WM - that just isn't correct; there is more to the term than that. E.g., someone running across a pop-culture reference to Wayback Machine and going to Wikipedia for what the term meant would likely be confused if he found himself at IA. I'll try to work to fix those links, although I note that such links were to a page that just redirected to Internet Archive, so they weren't quite right to begin with, seems to me. Bdushaw 07:55, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Waybackmachine3.png[edit]

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Machine Name WABAC v. Wayback[edit]

Does anyone have concrete proof that the machine was actually called the WABAC, rather than the Wayback? That is, was the machine's name ever visible in the cartoons, or was the machine's name ever spelled out by Mr. Peabody? If not, then I think that the assumption that it was a WABAC (riffing on Univac or Eniac) is possibly a retroactive correlation. Doug 16:56, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

You are right to ask for a reference on this. Although given the choice between "WABAC" and "Wayback" within the context of 1959-1960 American culture, the term "wayback" is a more likely retroactive correlation, IMO. The answer would be found in a script for the show, if one could be found; one way to find the answer. We should find a reference for this, but I would object to removing or changing the "WABAC" explanation for the time being. See e.g., [1] 24.41.54.89 (talk) 09:09, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
In the February 1963 issue of Bullwinkle Comics (from Gold Key), it is spelled WAY-BAC. Keep in mind that all text in the comic is capitalized. 24.220.198.165 (talk) 14:59, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
And in one of the article's links, "Wayback Machine comes to life in new home"[2], Kahle refers to the show's "more cleverly named 'Waybac Machine' which in turn was a reference to the Univac." With the information from that comic (any chance of a scanned image that doesn't violate licenses?), it does seem as if WAYBAC would make sense. Also, unfortunately 24.41.54.89's link is dead. --98.176.34.215 (talk) 02:09, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
The episode "The Charge of the Light Brigade" (1854 Balaclava) at 0:34 into the YouTube capture of the episode [1] (which agrees with my DVD) as Mr.Peobody and his boy Sherman walk to the machine there is an arrow sign pointing to the machine that states "WAYBACK". I don't think that you can get more definitive that this. So how do we change "WAYBAC" to "WAYBACK" everywhere? ThomasHarrisGrantsPass (talk) 04:41, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Here is the youtube link [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u25-sU2ml8U ] to "The Charge of the Light Brigade" - the name "Wayback" is explicitly shown in a sign at the 34 second mark. Having created and nursed this particular article, I remind all that its present name "WABAC" was a consequence of a single editor changing around Wayback and WABAC out of frustration (my opinion/view of the situation) that the Internet archive links were being sent to the Cartoon Wayback. Changing the name of this particular article back to Wayback is not straightforward, since there are 1000's of wikilinks to Wayback from all those archived pages used as references for those 1000's of articles. But this does not change the historical fact that "Wayback" began with Peabody's Improbable History. Bdushaw (talk) 22:21, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Comment/Query[edit]

Who owns/controls the Wayback Machine? I don't know, but I think an ongoing history of the ownership of our history is crucial. Pls replace this with the info. Auralee (talk) 11:32, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Spam entry[edit]

Anonymous IP 75.144.183.21 inserted the following text block: In the influential Asinine skit, "The Wayback Machine," a character requests that his friend be his 'time-buddy' should he ever travel from the future and need to convince someone of his circumstances. He subsequently tests his friend's resolve regarding this promise, with hilarious results. (diff ) I view this as spam, certainly it is unreferenced. I've removed it. Bdushaw (talk) 00:42, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation proposal[edit]

It is standard to use disambiguation for topics that have the same name. I suggest to split the topics into seperate articles, and turn this link into a redirect to the more popular subject. Then, add a wp:hatnote, such as "for other uses see: ..." that will link to the rest of the articles. any objections? --Nezek (talk) 18:53, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I can't say that I exactly understand what you are proposing, but I think I object... The reason is that these are not separate topics. The cartoon "Wayback machine" was adopted by popular culture and, hence, adopted by the Internet Archives. Without the popular culture context for the Internet Archives Wayback machine, it rather lacks meaning. They are not different topics really, in the sense that "Mercury" can be the metal or the planet. Besides which, the article for Internet Archives already has a section on its Wayback machine, hence a separate article on Wayback machine is not justified. The term "Wayback machine" always comes back to Peabody and Sherman ... there seems to be an odd resistance to this historical fact. (We can't get in a Wayback machine to make it so that the Peabody and Sherman Wayback machine never existed...) It seems to me that one goal of this article is to provide the reason the Internet Archives Wayback machine has the meaning it does; to establish the bridge between the cartoon, the use of this term in popular culture, and the use of this term for the Internet Archives - that section was recently removed; I am working to restore it, having just now started a dialog with the section remover. Bdushaw (talk) 07:32, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

The wayback machine and popular culture[edit]

I've restored the section discussing the use of the term wayback machine in popular culture, and restored its relation to the Internet archives wayback machine. This is an important section, giving a larger meaning to this article. I have, however, tried to simplify the section to reduce the number of references and remove the unencyclopedic list of examples. Happy to discuss the matter for the better development of this article. Bdushaw (talk) 08:18, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

  1. ^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u25-sU2ml8U