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Flagship[edit]

WNET is not a "flagship" station of PBS. It's an important station, yes; but then, as mentioned in the edit history, so are WGBH, WQED-TV, KQED, and several other PBS stations which each have produced a comparable number of widely-carried shows. Remember that PBS gives each member station a certain amount of autonomy not present in commercial stations. As a result, PBS's distribution of programming does not follow the model set forth by network flagships (and fellow NYC stations) WNBC-TV, WABC-TV, WCBS-TV, et al. SwissCelt 00:42, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

After an e-mail discussion with Dfmock, I'm willing to concede that WNET is as qualified to call itself a "flagship" station as any other PBS member station. But then, that brings up the question of what stations might be called flagships.

IMO, a partial list might go something like this:

Definitely a flagship

  • WGBH (Boston)
  • WNET (Newark, New Jersey)
  • KQED (San Francisco-Northern California)
  • WETA (Washington)

Most likely a flagship

  • WQED (Pittsburgh)
  • KCET (Los Angeles)

Possibly a flagship

  • KPBS (San Diego)
  • WHYY (Wilmington-Philadelphia)
  • WYES (New Orleans; has produced a fair number of cooking shows including those by Paul Prudhomme (and Justin Wilson?))

Probably not a flagship

  • WGTV (Athens-Atlanta; is the flagship of Georgia Public Television, but probably not a national flagship)
  • WPBS (Watertown, NY; article goes to some length disclaiming the flagship moniker in spite of the call letters)
  • Any of the stations in my home state of Ohio
  • (and so on....)

The amount of programming carried nationally on PBS member stations would seem to be the primary criterion, but not necessarily the only one. Thoughts? -- SwissCelt 19:47, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

My take on this? The "flagship" label is one that was originally applied to the big commercial network-owned stations (WCBS/WNBC/WABC and KCBS/KNBC/KABC in New York and California); the networks were originating most of their popular broadcast content at the national level, not buying it from individual local stations, in a completely opposite approach to the PBS model. This meant that market size was the sole criterion for the "flagship" label, with the "big three" networks choosing to name local station callsigns after the network itself in the two largest markets, Manhattan NY and Los Angeles CA.
Some early revisions of the PBS and WPBS articles came rather close to adding WPBS NY and KPBS California to these trios of big-city stations just because of the names. This led subsequent editors to post the current "WPBS-TV is not a flagship" text, as WPBS primarily serves Ottawa, not Manhattan, cutting its total potential audience to two million instead of the eleven million of the NYC stations. Meanwhile, we don't see "WCNY is not a flagship", "WCFE is not a flagship", "WXXI is not a flagship" and the like plastered onto every New York PBS member station's article text; WPBS-TV just got singled out for this silliness because of their choice of callsign.
PBS's structure does cause original programming production to be the primary criterion (WGBH owes its massive lead in visibility over other PBS member broadcasters not to that one transmitting tower on that Great Blue Hill as much as to "a production of WGBH Boston" appearing on so many programmes broadcast on so many other PBS stations across the nation). Satellites and cable TV are also distorting factors in visibility of individual stations.
There is no official definition; CBS may be free to say "WCBS is our flagship in New York" but PBS itself isn't going to be as free to designate one station a "flagship" and another not as they don't own the individual stations - organizations in the local communities own them, so the network playing favourites is inadvisable. As such, this whole exercise becomes nothing more than a mere statement of opinion on the part of viewers. Amount of programming (and quality of original programming) should by far be the most important criteria, home market size a very distant second at best.
A tempest in a teapot in any case. Let each station, and their original programming, stand on their own merits. If WGBH sends out many programmes of the calibre of a NOVA or Masterpiece Theatre while WPBS-TV primarily produces a list of fishing or gardening shows, naturally WGBH will earn the greater level of visibility in the PBS network. Beyond that, it's all subjective... --carlb 17:23, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
Ah, but if the designation is subjective, then it's not encyclopedic and therefore should not be included in the article. Otherwise, one can edit an article to say, "WNET is liek the best PBS station EVAR!!!" and not get called on NPOV. (Grammar, though, is another story.) -- SwissCelt 02:31, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
True, a case could easily be made that WPBS-TV is more worthy of being a flagship than is WQED. The Pittsburgh station is the only PBS member I've encountered to have affiliated a station full-time to ShopNBC. WQED was a good station in its day, but... --66.102.80.212 (talk) 19:06, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

On an aside, some of WNET's newer programmes are showing a new ident. It uses the Thirteen logo amist a skyline (assuming it's NYC). Can someone get a screenshot of that ident? -Daniel Blanchette 16:47, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure why someone removed Cyberchase from this page. I replaced it because Cyberchase is an original production produced by Thirteen/WNET. It's creators are Sandra Sheppard and Kristin Laskas Martin, who created the show for it's premiere in January 2002 (it piloted in 2001 on Thirteen). According to the programs current press material: "CYBERCHASE is produced by Thirteen/WNET New York and Nelvana Limited. Executive producers are Sandra Sheppard, Thirteen's executive director of Children's and Educational Programming, and Frances Nankin. Ellen Doherty is senior series producer." Check out their press materials in Thirteen's pressroom at http://www.thirteen.org/pressroom (click on the Cyberchase logo) if you have any questions. Digit LeBoid 14:38, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Trivia -- WNET and "Pressure"[edit]

A trivia tidbit that was removed dealt with the following fact:

The lyric from the song pertinent to this was:

All your life is Channel 13... Sesame Street... What does it mean?

Considering that Billy Joel came from New York and many of his songs dealt, one way or another, with New York life, that was probably in reference to WNET, albeit in a vague manner. Comment? -- azumanga 23:23, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

IMHO, this is valid and is not trivia. He is from Long Island and the use of NYC-region place names commonly appears elsewhere in his work (such as "Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?" in Movin' Out [Anthony's song]). It's not a question of this "probably" being WNET, this *is* WNET. Not WHAM-TV (ABC Rochester), not CJOH (CTV Ottawa), not WNYT (NBC Albany). WNET. None of the other Channel 13 broadcasters serving New York State audiences are PBS, as much of PBS (including flagship WPBS-TV 16) is UHF.
I doubt that Calais, Marquette, Pittsburgh, Arkadelphia, Eureka, Dallas, Oklahoma City, Fargo, Twin Falls, Idaho, Monroe, Louisiana, Eagle Butte, South Dakota, Alliance, Nebraska or La Grande, Oregon are finding their way into old Billy Martin tunes, and those thirteen are the only other known PBS13 stations in existence. --carlb (talk) 01:51, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
It's still trivia, and not important to the understanding of the article's subject. You don't need a lesson in Billy Joel to learn about WNET. Rob T Firefly (talk) 00:35, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

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Non-Commercial[edit]

WNET Channel 134 is not a "non-commercial" tv station, and it hasn't been one for a long time. I watch the station every day and there are lots and lots of commercials aired every day. Car commercials, bank commercials, food commercials, etc... Just because they air them between programs european style doesn't make it non-commercial. They take the car company money just like Fox and CBS and everybody else. You need to remove the phrase "non-commercial" from the description of Channel 13. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.225.215.208 (talk) 01:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

The Federal Communications Commission definition of what can be run while technically claiming "non-commercial" status is here: http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/nature.html#ENHANCED
Allowed are:
  • logograms or slogans which identify and do not promote,
  • location information,
  • value-neutral descriptions of a product line or service,
  • brand and trade names and product or service listings.
Disallowed are:
  • prices or comparative prices of goods and services
  • announcements containing a call to action, such as "try our product" or "stop by our showroom"
  • announcements of discounts or incentives as an inducement to buy, sell, rent, or lease.
So "this program made possible by X Inc., makers of Y" complies, "this program made possible by X Inc., quality manufacturers of Y" bends the rules rather blatantly (not value-neutral) and "This program sponsored by X Inc., selling Y for ninety-five cents less than Z Company's crummy made-in-Blecchistan competing product THIS WEEK ONLY! SO BUY NOW!!!1!!!" clearly would be precluded from non-commercial broadcast. (unless you're WQEX and plead poverty in order to get FCC to remove the "non-commercial" status entirely so your local PBS can become ShopNBC) No idea how a slogan would "identify and not promote", isn't the point of a slogan to promote a product or its maker? Indeed, it's a very fine line that has been drawn, but supposedly the line is still there.
Not sure what would happen if an episode of Sesame Street were caught as having been secretly taking payola and kickbacks from the letter Q or the number 3, though. --66.102.80.212 (talk) 18:45, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Those Are Not Commercials.[edit]

Those Are Companies And Or Foundations That Donates to PBS and The Station In Question, So In Reality They Are calling calls that Shows the Viewers That They Care For PBS Programming And The Station Carrying it.

  • In Addition, Those 'Commercials' are Allowed on the grounds of Public Service And Certain 'Commercials' Are in-house And Should Not Be Considered 'Commercials'. I have Been Watching WNET For 11 Years And There is Not One Single Commercial that was not Made in House By WNET And/or Sister Stations NJN(New Jersey)WXXI( Rochester,NY) WLIW21(Garden City, NY) And Any other PBS Station That Serves The Tri-state Area.
  • You Are Confusing WNET For Another Public Station WNYE or Any of The Countless Independent Stations In The NYC Area.

If You Have A Concern Involving Thirteen/WNET's Programming or Commercials E-mail them At programming@thirteen.org or File An Issue At The Website at http://www.thirteen.org/about/contact-us/ and File Under 'Broadcast'.


((User:BBCNYC)) 00:58, 3 August 2009 (UTC)(User:BBCNYC)

Original productions?[edit]

Original productions
WNET has produced, created and/or presented a number of PBS shows. This includes, but is not limited to:

Producing and presenting are two quite different things, so please change the title fo that section or remove all the series that haven't been actually produced by WNET, such as The Story of English. Eyesighter (talk) 00:59, 30 June 2012 (UTC)