Talk:Wake-on-LAN

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
WikiProject Computing / Networking (Rated Start-class, Low-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Computing, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of computers, computing, and information technology on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
Start-Class article Start  This article has been rated as Start-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Low  This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by Networking task force.
 

WoL vs. LOM, "off" vs. "asleep"[edit]

Are "Power On By LAN" and "Power Up By LAN" really equivalent to WoL? This seems like a major oversight to me, confusing the two states. I suggest clear distinction, since e.g. Macs in sleep mode can be easily awaken, but once they're shut down there's no way to turn them on remotely.

In addition, Lights Out Management should be mentioned in this article, to contrast LOM and WoL. Binba (talk) 22:33, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Links to free services and software[edit]

I have added, again, links to sites offering free services and software for Wake on LAN. I have no interest in pushing any particular solution, but it is very useful to have these things available. If the actual links are removed (which I do not recommend), at least it would be useful to provide a procedure to find the various free services and software available. The links are a useful service to the user, rather than a tool to sell commercial product. I tend to use one particular (free) supplier which I find convenient, but have no wish to promote any particular one. Anyone who needs to use WoL needs a service and/or software to do the waking; these are useful tools. Personally I have links on my desktop which, when clicked, awake a particular machine on my network, using wolcmd.exe (downloaded free) from the Windows command-line. A program from any other source would do as well. Pol098 (talk) 09:23, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

I agree that references to representative free websites may be appropriate. However, in recent weeks there has been a clean edit war going on between two parties who have repeatedly replaced references with alternate ones. This has gone on long enough. I have removed all such websites. They can be easily found by using any search engine. If you have something useful to add to Wikipedia then please add it. Please don't delete anothers additions just to insert your own.Absoluterecall (talk) 21:09, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

I actually looked at this article specifically because I was looking for a utility to send a wake up packet. other wikipedia articles usually provide at least a selection of some commonly used software, but in this article I find nothing. this is very frustrating. imho this article is quite useless this way. --helohe (talk) 21:53, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

WoWLAN "standard", WMM, and keeping it all straight[edit]

I just edited the article to remove a rather authoritative statement that I saw was actually causing some level of confusion with people trying to implement WoWLAN in the real world. It stated that WoWLAN does not use the normal WoL packets, but instead sends them over WMM. AFAICT this was based off an erroneous offhand conjecture made (and then self-corrected) by the author of the cited article on the Apple Bonjour. Another contributing factor to this confusion is that WMM does include facilities for power-saving sleep but these are on the microsecond scale (the two features may interact, in that a WoL magic packet going over a WiFi link might queue in the WMM queue on the AP, but it is not clear that this actually happens given no publicly available copy of WiFi WoL standards.)

Now, as to WoWLAN, I kept the references to it, but aside from the Intel paper, which they have since disappeared from their site (wayback link now added) I don't google much of a solid indication that this standard actually exists outside of Intel. It is unclear if Apple even used the same "standard" in their implementation though it is probable given airports are made by Intel. Perhaps someone can actually find a standard number, or some indication where in the paywall-protected stack of IEEE and Wi-Fi Alliance standards WoWLAN is actually formally defined, and what standards body approved it, but we should probably demote it to a vendor-specific feature.

Finally, it is important to disambiguate between WoL, and wake-on-demand technologies. It can probably be done while keeping both in the same article, but that's a bigger edit than I had time for. Also a distinction should be clearly drawn between WoL and WMM/802.11e power saving mechanisms. (140.232.0.68 (talk) 20:02, 8 November 2010 (UTC))

Useful References[edit]

I would propose to restore the technical references that this article was based upon and which further expand on the topic. My understanding is that it is okay to link to third-party material as long as it does not overtly promote a product or service. I have had a discussion with User_talk:93.95.153.140 who contends that any material that may have any commercial nature should not be referenced and insists upon removing references to any such material. I would propose a slightly less strict inclusion criteria to include if (1) Relevant and (2) non-promotional. For the limitations section I would propose the following (the first one was the original source for the section):

Agree. As long as the reference is relevant it should be included.86.29.132.231 (talk) 09:48, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

I've looked at those two documents and they certainly help explain why the limitations exist. What's the problem?178.103.170.13 (talk) 13:54, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

I wrote write the original 'limitations' section and based it upon the document that is being discussed. You can see my original contribution here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wake-on-LAN&oldid=381138661. I think I can say with some justification that I contributed very significantly to the article and bashed it into the current structure that it takes. I made numerous changes over several weeks taking material from many sources all of which I referenced. I would not have been able to do this without the references which I painstakingly added to the article. I would not speculate on intentions but it appears to me that someone removed virtually all references for the material. You can see this here: [Special:Contributions/93.95.153.140]. This is a complex technical subject and the reference material helped me write the ORIGINAL sections in question. They are useful and most certainly relevant.Absoluterecall (talk) 20:00, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Absoluterecall, your main contribution looks like you have copypasted a couple of paragraphs from this ambiguous reference without any actual sources research that actually presented in the current article state. Have you ever read AMD's white paper (magic packet technology) at least? 93.95.153.140 (talk) 02:59, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes I have read AMD's paper. It is the primary source for this topic but doesn't cover all of the ramifications and limitations as much as it could. This is why some of the follow-up material is useful. If you study my contributions you will see that I wrote or re-wrote much or the current article and was the main contributor who took the article to its current form. To do this I used numerous references which I painstakingly added to the document. You seem to have decided to remove them all which means I and others cannot find the original material the article was based upon. I let this go last year because I didn't want to fight a pointless edit war with you - I'm going to ask for external arbitration now and trust that you will respect the result. BTW: I wrote or significantly re-wrote the limitations, troubleshooting, SDB and Sending sections. I call that a significant contribution.Absoluterecall (talk) 10:49, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I've made some research on your actual activity. Yes, you have many edits on this article but it mainly related with linking to mentioned commercial site (***.co.uk). As you end your edits you did blank your discuss page and have done no contributions to Wikipedia until now, but at the time appears your follower Settlementplan that did the same thing (the same as the couple of humble writers with zero contributions at three paragraphs above). Doesn't it look like trend for advertising actions? 93.95.153.140 (talk) 13:56, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Why the fighting guys. I've used this article as a reference loads of time and have certainly found the linked documents really useful. Thank you Special:Contributions/Absoluterecall for your efforts you certainly made a big difference to this article.149.254.60.170 (talk) 15:51, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Is is just a coincidence that all recent "zero contributors" IP adresses from the UK or is it one and the same affiliated man behind DHCP? 93.95.153.140 (talk) 16:58, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

What a shame that one person seems to have stopped the links to these useful references. At least they are still in the article history. As I said in January "Agree. As long as the reference is relevant it should be included." No DHCP sorry. 86.29.132.231 (talk) 16:20, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Name[edit]

Is "Wake-on-LAN" always capitalized mid-sentence, or can it be "wake-on-LAN"?

How about hyphenation? The article switches between hyphens and no hyphens.

XP1 (talk) 05:30, 5 January 2012 (UTC)