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  • This page is not politically neutral. It groups Marxism and Fascism together, despite these being inappropriate comparisons - as Marxism is a theory of the analysis of capitalism and fascism is a reactionary political movement. A more appropriate but no less biased comparison would be equivocating communism and fascism. The page also includes an insufficient explication of the Marxist critique of war.
  • From Wikipedia istself: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche_(biographie)Nietzsche knew frontline. The "Morality of War" section must be revised.
    • RECOMMENDED: Very good information on the idea of war for both humans and animal parallels can be found in the book "The Third Chimpanzee" by Jared Diamond! I highly recommend that curious persons (especially good, motivated writers) check the book's section(s?) on war out and use it to help this article. Also it is an excellent read cover to cover.
  • Main definition: The first phrase now says war is not avoidable. Resources and differences in ideology do not cover the totality of motivations to go to war.
  • Need examples of expansionism and imperialism wars
  • Warlike behavior in animals, evolutionary biological perspective
  • Need more info on special interest groups and the use of propaganda and influence techniques to motivate a population to accept/support a war, e.g. funding of thinktanks and controlling the editorial spin of "news". Currently no mention of social psychology, some useful references might be Walter Lippman's The World Outside and the Pictures in Our Heads, Noam Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent, Pratkanis and Aronsons' The Age of Propaganda (The Everyday Use and Abuse of Persuasion), all of which have information about how war might be promoted to the public.
  • Cleanup in "Types of War"
  • Persistent tendency to focus primarily on modern (and western) terminology and protocol when discussing elements of warfare. Little distinction between what the modern observer would call an "armed force" and the myraid alternative warrior groups which have waged war throughout the time periods referenced, and the treatment of the topic is hampered by such modernity.
  • Despite the articles use of you got it wrong dont copy it statistics to illustrate the scale and importance of far eastern warfare in the relevent section on death tolls, less is made of this idea elsewhere.
  • World War 1 and 2 are referenced disproportionately, seemingly simply because it seems an ideal link between this article and other larger articles elsewhere.
  • References are lacking, with many stand-alone comments needing evidence
  • Second paragraph in the Overview section cites a source that does not substantial the claims of the paragraph.
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Muslim Conquests [edit]

Some editors are persisting in adding a multi-million casualty figure related to the Muslim conquests. And others are persisting in deleting the number. This is now a matter of discussion. Please provide your thoughts here. (No changes to the article should take place until we reach consensus. This is the required WP:BRD process. Thanks.)--S. Rich (talk) 04:42, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


Lock the page [edit]

After all, war never changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.4.130.45 (talk) 23:24, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Ten Largest Wars. [edit]

This section seems to only list nine of the largest wars, not ten. Just curious if I am missing something. If not, I will change the title to reflect the actual information. Unless someone states something in seven days, I will make the change and hope it was the correct decision. LogicalCreator (talk) 07:53, 16 November 2012 (UTC)


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Least number of casualties [edit]

Consider adding, in contrast with the lede's mention of maximal casualties, the Pig War — the only casualty was the pig. --Pawyilee (talk) 05:29, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Delete request [edit]

Permission requested to delete section List of ongoing wars (1,000+ fatalities per year). LudicrousTripe (talk) 14:16, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree but I think the section would be fine with the Uppsala Conflict Data Program's table. To me the other table is just a not very good attempt at making a table to describe all of the current conflict in the world. I don't see why it should stay especially considering that the Uppsala Conflict Data Program table has most of the information that it has just without the problems.
Here are it's problems: It has uncited stats (e.g. for Yemen and Mali) and unlike the other tables which uses a credible source many of its sources are not credible (e.g. "Syrian Revolution Martyr Database. Syrian National Council" or the "Iraqi Body Count"). Also, this table uses massive summary figures, not just for the entire conflicts but also for say the 12,000 figure given for Burma by "RISE's Urgent Call for Intervention: Rohingyas death toll 10000, The Humanitarian Crisis Hub", again clearly a biased sourse as well.
If anything I think this could be allowed to stay just because it has 2013 data which the Uppsala database table doesn't but even then it's pretty basic and has a lot of problems.Wareditor2013 (talk) 10:12, 2 May 2013 (UTC)