Talk:War bond

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edit·history·watch·refresh Stock post message.svg To-do list for War bond:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:
  • Article requests: Inserting the war bond cases of additional countries (with proper citation).
  • Copyedit: Copy-edit the entire article. Pay particular attention to standardizing number format.
  • Expand: Insert Italy, Russia etc.; expand Canada (WWI), Britain (WWII)

america-centrism[edit]

this page is extremely american centric. surely other countries had war bond schemes? --naught101 09:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I guess not. I'm going to remove the banner. One alternative is to rename the article. I don't see the immediate need to do that, but wouldn't oppose someone doing it. - Bevo 20:51, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Canada, China, Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany and Romania issued similiar bonds during the Second World War. There may be others. 71.92.157.249 (talk) 19:14, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
The article says Nazi Germany did not issue war bonds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.24.94.118 (talk) 00:17, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
The article as of today is about USA except for one sentences about Canada. I suggest that it be moved to, say US War Bond, and a new stub War Bond articled be created. Pol098 (talk) 01:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I have started expanding the article to include other nations. I finished Canada WWII last night and am going to work on the UK next. --Labattblueboy (talk) 03:31, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Just a word of encouragement; the article is starting to look really good. Thanks for expanding it. Surv1v4l1st (Talk|Contribs) 19:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

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no citation for "inflation" rationale[edit]

"The government used the hype of the war to market the bonds to the country as a way to raise money for the war, when in fact they were used to take money out of the economy so inflation would not occur." Z1perlster (talk) 23:42, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


I concur. Use of the word "hype" is extremely judgmental and would need actual references to substantiate. Assertion of "in fact they were used..." needs some actual facts to back it up. A dubious and slanted tone is not the Wikipedia way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vanderleun (talkcontribs) 15:54, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Statement was removed during section re-write, so no longer a worry. --Labattblueboy (talk) 21:28, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Victory Books[edit]

Maybe there should be some reference to Victory Books from that era.[1] 66.191.19.68 (talk) 20:33, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Earliest/origins[edit]

I'm curious what the earliest war bonds were, or what the origins of it are. They were apparently around in the American Civil War, so when/how did the concept come into being? Polkadon (talk) 03:24, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Indeed there were bonds issued during the American Civil War, on both sides. Perhaps we should add a section about that. As to their earliest origins, I can't say. Surv1v4l1st (Talk|Contribs) 15:50, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
If you can provide cited text go ahead and fill your boots, it would be good information to add. --Labattblueboy (talk) 17:18, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I went ahead an added an American Civil War section with necessary cites. Depending on what information we want to include, it can be expanded accordingly. Surv1v4l1st (Talk|Contribs) 02:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

War Bonds Adrift[edit]

I've heard that a common expression during WWII was "war bonds adrift" -- like saying "holy mackeral" or "oh for God's sake" -- but I can't find any reference to it anywhere online. ??? --Bluejay Young (talk) 03:08, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

WWII Expansion?[edit]

Any thoughts on expanding the WWII section to cover other societies? Many others issue war bonds. Surv1v4l1st (Talk|Contribs) 02:10, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Repayment?[edit]

It would be interesting to know which countries actually managed to repay their War Bonds. For example, after WW1, did the German government successfully repay their bonds, or did they default? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.171.29 (talk) 03:19, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

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Picture of the day
German war bond poster

A 1917 poster by Lucian Bernhard intended to sell war bonds in Germany. The caption, roughly translated, is "This is how your money helps you fight! Turned into submarines, it keeps enemy shells away! That's why you should subscribe to war bonds!" Mostly excluded from international financial markets during World War I, Germany was largely limited to domestic borrowing. The bond drives proved extremely successful, raising approximately 100 billion marks in funds.

Poster: Lucian Bernhard; restoration: Bellhalla
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Changes to lead[edit]

Have restored the changes I made to the lead section. Please say if you have any reasoned objection to any particular aspect of this. ---Ehrenkater (talk) 17:49, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

  • The changes it lede run contrary to the format that was previously resolved through consensus. In particular some of the technical elements associated with securities were edited and removed and the purpose of war bonds made more ambiguous. Further your edits include parenthesis text, instead of prose. This is why the text was undone, returned the text to it previous standard. I am returning the previous text until a lead sumary can be agreed to.--Labattblueboy (talk) 18:47, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • the specific changes I take issue with: 1. the inclusion of parenthesis text, it should all be in prose. 2.the inclusion of "other expenditure" with regards to war bonds.--Labattblueboy (talk) 18:52, 18 August 2013 (UTC)


Hi Labattblueboy

1 You refer to previous consensus; however there has been no discusion of this on the talk page for some years, so what previous consensus?

2 My version of the lead paragraph is completely in prose, so why are you suggesting it is not prose?

3 You object to including "other expenditure". I added this because in time of war the government has other major costs besides purely military operations (to give one example, the costs of food convoys to Great Britain during WW2) and the proceeds of the war bonds are not necessarily earmarked for purely military expenditure.

Reasons for the other changes I made:

4 I removed "War bonds generate capital for the government" as this duplicates what has been said in the previous sentence.

5 I removed "Make citizens feel involved ...". No doubt the government propaganda at the time will focus on this, but the overwhelmingly most important purpose of the bonds is financial, and it is speculation to suggest that, given all the other circumstances of being at war (rationing, air raids, etc etc) the existence of the war bonds makes any significant difference to people's feeling of involvement in the war.

6 I added a sentence about retail and wholesale bonds as this is a key element of the description of these bonds.

7 I added a necessary qualification to "yield below the market". Incidentally "yield below market value" is technically a nonsense because whoever wrote it is confusing the yield and the value of a bond, which are two different things. -----Ehrenkater (talk) 13:36, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

    • I folded the parenthesis text into the text itself. I removed the assumption regarding viable markets. I hope this is a respectable middle ground.--Labattblueboy (talk) 04:07, 20 August 2013 (UTC)