Talk:War hawk

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New Title Needed[edit]

My reference books generally use the historical phrase "War Hawk" as two words, both capitalized. A google search of "War Hawk" and "War of 1812" gets about twice as many hits as "Warhawk" and "War of 1812". Plus, following the Wikipedia:Naming conventions (plurals), the singular should be used, rather than the current plural. --Kevin Myers 01:28, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)

I agree with the move to two words. Personally, I think the plural convention ought to be revised. Articles about a group of people should be in the plural, I think. But who am I to argue? john k 01:44, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. WarhawksWar Hawk. violet/riga (t) 19:31, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

questions raised during copy edit[edit]

  • "Both of these men attended West Junior High in Lawrence and would become giants on the American political landscape for decades." This appeared in reference to Henry Clay and John C. Calhoun. There is no state, which is initially why I decided to remove it. A quick Google search seems to suggest Lawrence, Kansas, but coincidentally the mascot of West Junior High is the Warhawk. Was this the mascot when they attended, thus the term? Or was the mascot named after these two graduates? The former seems more likely to me, but altogether I think this needs more research and a reference before it's put back in. beverson 17:13, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
    • In light of my research for the reversion, I now think neither of these is likely, and instead possibly more vandalism. beverson 17:48, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
  • "Congressman John Randolph of Roanoke, a staunch opponent of entry into the war. There was therefore never any "official" roster of War Hawks; as historian Donald Hickey notes, "Scholars differ over who (if anyone) ought to be classified as a War Hawk." A few historians consider the reality of the War Hawks to be a myth—a product of the political rhetoric of the era.[1]" I don't know how to fix the first sentence, since I don't know what it was supposed to say. In the context of the rest of the (short) article, the rest of the paragraph seems confusing. I don't doubt there could be debate on who, if anyone, was considered a War Hawk, but I think more references are needed. Also, this single reference wasn't displaying correctly, and I couldn't figure out why. beverson 17:18, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
  • After some review of the revision history, the original actually looks really good. I will be restoring some of the copy from that version and also trying to fix the reference listing (sorry, I'm still new at some of this). Please raise any objections here, but seeing none, I'm just going for it. beverson 17:22, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Reverted[edit]

  • Not exactly sure what happened here, but a really decent original article, along with some good edits, were all removed and eventually replaced with the version I found today (see history, last edit before my first, dated 18 December). It appears that at least some of this was due to fighting vandalism. Anyway, I already activated the revert; please post objections here.
    • Copy Edit complete, awaiting proofread. beverson 17:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Note:

In reading this entry, it lists George Washington of Virginia as a WarHawk, along with Clay and Calhoun . . . since this term is used around the War of 1812, and Washington died in 1797, Washington should not be listed. At least in my opinion . . . signed a High School U.S. History Teacher. 65.42.21.214 19:41, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

  1. ^ Donald Hickey, The War of 1812: A Forgotten Conflict (Urbana, Illinois: University of Illinois Press, 1989), p. 334n.8.