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- 1 Humanitarian Value of Warez Piracy
- 2 Policy Implications
- 3 warez sites, Google and malware
- 4 Phaze
- 5 Grammar error?
- 6 Pronunciation?
- 7 "warez" as adjective?
- 8 Edit request from 18.104.22.168, 8 June 2010
- 9 Parsing fail
- 10 Talk Page References
- 11 The main reason for software piracy
- 12 spelling error
- 13 File:Pro piracy demonstration.jpg Nominated for Deletion
- 14 Edit request on 18 April 2012
- 15 "Warez
- 16 "Piracy" is a loaded word, can we use something more neutral?
- 17 Merger proposal
- 18 Warez and piracy split proposal
- 19 Ethymology of WAREZ
- 20 Move Warez Zero Day stuff into a section of Zero Day
Humanitarian Value of Warez Piracy
If "Warez" is considered a humanitarian distribution of intellectual material, especially to impoverished peoples, its "value" (in losses to the western economy) is many times greater than most sources of food and intellectual/medical aid. The current values by BSA for non-entertainment "Warez Piracy" are OVER HALF the global value of humanitarian aid from ALL SOURCES.
The global estimates for "Warez Piracy" by BSA.Org for non-entertainment software only are listed in the table at SHIP.BAYWORDS.COM with comparisons to global humanitarian aid, the western educational systems, and various other budgets which are all pegged to a standard increase for many years. The docs.google table is linked there, please include to the main page a section on this topic and the EU software patent issues and the International Criminal Court and World Court cases regarding human rights and intellectual freedoms versus these policy claims. Graph Image of Data ... FULL DATA SHEET and I'll hesitate at copying the source data table even though it is clean and public sources due to its size, fully referenced?
Though "Cracking" is defined as the process of analysis and analytic reverse or operative modeling of a system, typically an encryption or cypher, (where "hacking" is the modification resulting from such an understanding), the historical definitions, especially with regard to the economic or intellectual motivations, relate on legal basis to the derogatory terms "Cracker" as Cracker_(pejorative) and Pirate with significant adverse legal implications.
The American Department of Justice Civil Rights Division and United States Secret Service have determined that the reference to individuals related to the non-commerce distribution or economically unbiased dissemination of intellectual materials as "Software cracker" (Cracker_(pejorative)) or "pirate" is both bigotry and a slanderous reference to these individuals. These references, especially published or in court filings, to the distribution of warez, linguistically derived from "Wares" or marketable items typically pedaled by lesser merchants, has been found not only to be derogatory to the individuals, especially in the American Federal Court cases, but also a higher crime than the majority of claimed acts of economic sabotage purported by the various institutions or large corporations with distinctly commercial motivations.
warez sites, Google and malware
I believe there should be a section talking about how nowadays most sites that are returned when someone tries to search for warez on Google will attempt to install malicious programs, or provide bogus files, or be paid sites (or is it not really like that?)--TiagoTiago (talk) 02:10, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
- That's more of a subject of spyware. The warez component has very little to do with it, as it is common across porn, warez, video game, and gambling sites.Rurik (talk) 16:06, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
This page is the destination for the redirected word "Phaze". The word isn't contained in the body of the article that I could find, and I was actually looking for a discussion of the Piers Anthony science fiction/fantasy world of Phaze, from the book "Blue Adept". Thank You. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 20:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
- The page that needs to be edited is the actual Phaze article. I've changed the redirection to Blue Adept so it should be fixed. In the future, you can see and edit the redirection by following it, and then clicking in the line below the article's title that states "(Redirected from XYZ)". Rurik (talk) 02:51, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
"It indexes the warez & gives links to the pages where the download links are available. These often contain massive advertisement and may contain spyware and trojans. They often just infinitely redirect users to other sites." That sentence is messed up!
- Good eye, that's an atrocious section that has been there since 2007. I just reworded it and I hope it cleared it up. Rurik (talk) 01:35, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
There's currently no pronunciation listed. I've always pronounced it "Where - ez", but it seems likely that some people would pronounce it the same as "wears".Korin43 (talk) 00:55, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
- There used to be one, but it was removed awhile back. I see no reason not to put it back in, and will do so now. Rurik (talk) 21:48, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
- Um...how the hell is Juárez pronounced in English, anyway? WTF. I'm confused. D: Paperxcrip (talk) 02:04, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
- Can't we come up with a better example than "Juárez".? --126.96.36.199 (talk) 00:30, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
- To indicate that "Juárez" is a mispronunciation is dubious -- the term originated on BBS, IRC, usenet, and other text-only forums. I think it's fair to say that several pronunciations exist, but that one is the 'correct' pronunciation of this neologism can't be proven.Billyphuz (talk) 14:49, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
"warez" as adjective?
Under "etymology" the article asserts that "warez" is also used as an adjective "Do you know any good warez sites?" but judging from this sentence alone an interpretation as open compound noun seems more likely to me. If indeed it is an adjective here, "warez" and "sites" would have to be stressed about equally, while in a compound noun the stress would be on the last word. Can someone please check this? – Telofy (talk) 06:59, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'd say that the word serves as a noun adjunct in the sentence, but I'm not going to change anything since I can't be bothered to read up on all 'em pretty wikipedia rules. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 22:46, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Edit request from 184.108.40.206, 8 June 2010
- Not done: Already mentioned under the legalities section. Could be used as a source, not a "see also". SpigotMap 12:58, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
"or as an adjective "Do you know any good warez sites?""
That is no adjective it a part of a compound. 'warez sites' is a compund noun!
- Not really; it's both. You can analyze it as a compound noun, especially since it's a commonly repeated usage, but it's not a construction that, if taken apart, really changes in meaning or function. Warez is modifying a noun. If you take it out, sites is still valid and means the same (but more general) thing it did with the modifier. Who is like God? (talk) 04:25, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Talk Page References
The main reason for software piracy
Price - the average teenager or minimum wage worker can't afford the full retail price on most programs. For example, Maya currently costs about $3500. Adobe CS5 costs about $1600. Products like these are beyond the means of many people.
The software industry needs to realize this. Hobbyists should be given a significant discount. Those who make money with a program should pay full retail price. Everyone else should pay what they can.
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Edit request on 18 April 2012
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Keygen : The seriel is usualy of your choosing. Supposes the .exe file has no other kind of protection. and thus does not need patching ! Serials : You don't get to choose. Someone already bought it or keygened it.
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.
- There are also keygens for other operating systems and thus not limited to .exe. mabdul 18:29, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Warez hasn't always meant copyrighted works, warez in the beginning meant more to do with blackhat hacking. I think that should be acknowledged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 16:04, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
"Piracy" is a loaded word, can we use something more neutral?
The term "piracy" is loaded, and hardly neutral, thus not suitable to any article taking a NPOV.
A much more neutral phrase would be "unauthorized copying" (or perhaps even "unauthorized sharing").
This is written up in  which essentially makes the point that using the very term "piracy" creates a false analogy to kidnapping and murder on the high seas, presumably activities not normally part of any cracking effort.
I propose that Warez scene be merged into Warez. The former is poorly written, but has some background information that might be relevant to complete the Warez#Warez distribution subsection. Although the Warez scene article is not very short, it actually contains very little original and verifiable information (take a look at it's talk page). Ozhu (talk) 14:21, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose. There is Demo and Demoscene too. The subculture deserves its own article. If you think Warez scene is badly written, start fixing it :). I suggest you have a look at Software Piracy Exposed - Secrets from the Dark Side Revealed and No copy: die Welt der digitalen Raubkopie. Then you'll discover that lots of itis verifiable. But we won't know for sure until someone starts checking it... I did take a look at the talk page and saw comments like this: Should I specifically mention there is no explict connection between warez and the Scene community? Ondertitel (talk) 21:33, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
- Point noted. However, I'd like to keep this discussion open, because for an article that is so active, Warez scene contains little to no information that should not also be included in Warez. I understand why someone would want to separate these two concepts, but at the end, "The Scene" is just an online community or group of communities based around the reverse engineering and distribution of warez. I still need to be convinced that this "secret subculture" is notable enough and divorced enough from the concept of warez to merit its own page. Ozhu (talk) 16:09, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose. Absolutely not unless you have not intention of condensing the information in the Warez scene article. The people behind warez are just as notable as warez it-self. Icedog (talk) 03:15, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
- I would not have any intention of condensing the information in the Warez scene article. There is a lot of redundant information between the two articles, and I feel like the quality of the information in Warez scene article would benefit a lot by being put in the context of discussion of Warez. Many users have complained about the quality of Warez scene. "The people behind warez are just as notable as warez it-self." I interpret that to mean the warez themselves and the community and subculture behind their creation and distribution are intimately linked and equally important parts of this topic. I'd rather have a good, complete, and dense article about Warez rather than have the topic spread over three mediocre and poor articles. Thanks for your feedback.
- I removed the proposal from both pages. It has been almost a year. This article can be fixed independently of any merge. It seems quite scene oriented though. "Distribution of warez" with one subheading looks strange too. --Ondertitel (talk) 20:39, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
Warez and piracy split proposal
In the last section, "Warez and piracy", "Warez sites" does not appear to be limited to "The Scene", as described in the first part of the article. Perhaps this should be merged to articles on file sharing in general, and the part about the Warez scene be merged into that article instead? Smk65536 (talk) 18:34, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
Ethymology of WAREZ
Where does the word warez come from ? Why a "z" ? It should be explained: pirate vocabulary often has a "z" to show that it's been pirated ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E34:EE45:ECF0:159D:DEC8:D072:5B38 (talk) 14:04, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Move Warez Zero Day stuff into a section of Zero Day
Hey guys, can you guys add your views about merging the three WP zero-day articles attack, virus and warez into one at: Talk:Zero_day. Thank you :)