Talk:Welsh law

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Referencing[edit]

Just want to make it clear that this page has referenced the majority of the information in this article. Amlder20 21:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Tidy up/Rewrite[edit]

I found parts of this page difficult to read, and I've tried to make them easier by some rewriting. If I've introduced an error while I was doing this, please correct me. My knowledge of the subject matter is quite limited. Thanks. --JohnAldis 14:53, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Where did you find difficulty, I will try and look into this for you? I do apologise, I have been away.Amlder20 13:48, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Devolved areas[edit]

So what ARE the devolved areas of legislation?!

The devolved areas are mentioned in the article if you read, it contains all the fields in section 5 of the Government of Wales Act. We can't put all the matters on here too because it would clutter up the whole article to the point that it would be a mess. Each devolved area will have a link attached soon. Amlder20 13:48, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Jurisdiction[edit]

Maybe it should also be mentioned that the "England and Wales" entity could cease to exist if areas like Criminal law are devolved to the National Assembly. This means also that some areas of the Laws in Wales Acts must be repealed because they unify Wales into one jurisdiction with England. In effect if Wales can have it's own Acts of Assembly, then it means we have officially started our own legal system which means a seperate Jurisdiction from England, following though the English Common Law! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.11.221.164 (talk) 12:30, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Rewording first paragraph[edit]

I find the last sentence of the first paragraph to be misleading because it is an over-simplification - 'It is the first time in over 700 years [1] that Wales has had its own laws, the last being the Cyfraith Hywel, which was similar to Celtic Law.'

The statement gives me the impression that Welsh law ceased to exist at the completion of the Norman conquest of Wales. However the articles Welsh law and English law both provide summaries of how Welsh law was replaced by English law at different times in different areas of Wales. This history is very complicated since which law applied depended on who was in charge of an area or a town, and if Norman which law it was most advantageous to apply in a case.

Also, saying that Cyfraith Hywel was similar to Celtic Law is like saying that the English language is similar to Indo-European; it is not comparing like with like and therefore I think its confusing.

Please can this sentence be reworded to something along the lines of:

The native laws and judicial system of Wales had been eroded and eventually annulled during the centuries of the Norman conquest of Wales and up to the Acts of Union of 1536 and 1542. These new powers restore some law-making powers to the Welsh people.

Alternatively, if that is too much information then perhaps the sentence could be left out altogether. Lloffiwr (talk) 19:26, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

At the very least nearly all aspects of Welsh Law continued until the Acts of Union of 1536 and 1542 so the statement in the original source saying Welsh Law was abolished 700 years ago is patently false, which given the relative ignorance of many staff journalists asked to write these sort of pieces is hardly surprising. The sentence should be corrected or deleted James Frankcom (talk) 20:23, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Welsh devolution referendum, 2011[edit]

After the latest referendum, maybe it should be a good idea to update this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.11.223.222 (talk) 23:13, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Yep, it needs some revision now. However, I have a limited legal knowledge background, and it might be better for someone who knows about law to update it. However, Wales does now have law making powers, and is able to pass acts for the first time. It will also have a Welsh seal. --Welshsocialist (talk) 20:49, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Some care should be taken with the formulations. If I understood our article on the referendum correctly, the Assembly obtained "full legislative powers" in the 20 areas where they already were granted some power, but no power in new areas. As far as I understand (without having any expert knowledge), that means that the Assembly still has no influence on the criminal jurisdiction.
I do agree with Welshsocialist that an expert should tackle this. However, since a too long time has passed from the referendum, without anything being written, I'll add just some very short notice, and a link to our referendum page. JoergenB (talk) 18:46, 15 October 2011 (UTC)