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What about the other peoples of Europe?
It wasn't just the Greeks and Romans that started Western culture. It almost certainly has plenty of barbarian influence. Celts and Jews and Vikings and Moors and Gypsies and other groups, too, came into play, and had their own ideas and practices that contributed to the "Western" culture. Why rely on Greeks and Romans, because some dead historian says so? Oh, maybe they were (along with us Jews) the first to write stuff down, but that doesn't let the "barbarians" (or even the Egyptians) off the hook. And let's not forget the Punic Empire and its Canaanite forbears, shall we? — Rickyrab. Yada yada yada 09:24, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
'HUNGTIONTON' Hungtinton didn´t consider neither Turkey nor Mexico as Western nations. I think that Mexico, in spite of its large Native population, can be considered a Western nation (Spanish language, Catholicism) but Turkey, no way (it is part of the Islamic Civilization obviously)--220.127.116.11 (talk) 19:30, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
- There's a fairly obvious tug-of-war going on in the article between seeing the West as a community of culture(s)/civilization and on the other hand definitions that stress political and economic conditions. To the latter, "the Western world" becomes more or less the same as "the Free World", defined by belonging to NATO and/or the EU. Supposedly most of Eastern Europe was outside of the western world during most of the 20th century and is only starting to come back in after 2000: a western nation can't really be an autocratic state, still less a communist state. Duh, if the Western world is defined as a cultural community instead (and one that's developed in different ways over time), then this kind of idea that for centuries the West ended somewhere along the river Elbe and the upper Danube becomes a joke. There's no question whether Copernicus, Marie Sklodowska Curie or Bartòk were born and raised within the West. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 12:07, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
...Make Western World available in different languages.
That, really, is all i gotta say. BAI
In French WP article
What do you think about the intro in French WP article?
Translation with Google translate:
The West, or Western world, is a geopolitical concept that is generally based on the idea of a common civilization, heir of the Greco-Roman civilization, and an opposition to the rest of the world, or to one or several zones of influence such as Orient, the Arab world, the Greater China or the Russian sphere of influence.
The political concept of the West appears in the year 285 with the division of the Roman Empire, which gradually creates the Western Roman Empire around Rome that uses the Latin alphabet and the Eastern Roman Empire around Constantinople using the Greek alphabet. The "Barbarian Invasions" causes the fall of the Western Roman Empire but allow the extension of the influence of the Roman Catholic Church in Northern Europe and Central Europe, while the Roman Empire Eastern spreading the Orthodox form of Christianity in Eastern Europe. It is in this context that Charlemagne took the title of Emperor of the West in 800. The schism of 1054 marks the final break between the Catholic West and the Orthodox East, which makes possible the diversion of the Fourth Crusade by the Republic of Venice. This episode ends with the sack of Constantinople by Western crusaders, event which weakened for good the Eastern Empire but favors the onset of the Renaissance in the West. In the fifteenth century, the West and East are experiencing two major changes : the Protestant Reformation that alters the structure of Western Christianity and the capture of Constantinople by the Ottoman Turks . Faced with this "Islamic lock", Western states seek a new Road to the Indies : this period is called "Age of Discovery" leading to the conquest of the "New World". Comes a period of great change with the establishment of colonial empires, the "Age of Enlightenment" and the Industrial Revolution. During the second half of the twentieth century the idea of the West knows a new dimension with the Cold War and the creation of the NATO.
In the early twenty-first century, it is generally accepted that the "West" in the strict sense includes Western Europe (European Union and EFTA), Canada, United States, Australia and New Zealand. The citizens of these countries are commonly referred to Westerners. According to some other points of view, the West sometimes includes Latin America. -END->
- Regarding the last sentence, my French isn't very good, so I'm not sure if the extra "some" was a translation issue. But it should be more accurately noted that while some (or many depending on the country or region you're talking about) consider Latin America apart of the west, then it is the west to those individuals. It couldn't "sometimes be the west" to people to people with those point of views. To say they sometimes consider it the way would insist those individuals are in an arbitrary state (which many are, but not for those already with that point of view). The other problem is when people say Latin America (or the West Indies for that matter too) isn't apart of the west, they never explain what they actually are. Maybe it is just me, but I've never heard someone say "the Latin American world" in the same context as "the Western World". People will give you all sorts of non-scholarly and often irrelevant reasons for why they do not consider it apart of the west. Some unfortunately will dumb things down to the point of equating western with developed or industrialized or developed or industrialized + a western European language. But even that wouldn't be the problem here, because they are not giving explaining what Latin America is apart of, even though they are speaking of Latin America.
A simple way of describing the populace's view (especially for those who are at least fairly acquainted with the topic) is: Latin America has all of the cultural elements to be considered apart of the west, but because they aren't as wealthy as the west or it's fellow westerners, they get overshadowed and their role in or out of the west goes ignored and left to be debated. TomNyj0127 (talk) 20:12, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
western world is a defunct term
Basically the article is correctly saying that the term western world is obsolete. Only it does so in a very long roundabout way. The western world can mean many different things to many people, and the term can be applied to any country that shares some attributes that are considered western. This should be stated in the introduction. In fact, the whole article could be shortened down to a paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dkast (talk • contribs) 04:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
Regarding Turkey: your suggestions needed
I'm trying to find an appropriate place, in the article, in which I could add references to the notion of Turkey being part of the Western World, but I'm not sure where it would be most fitting. I'd highly appreciate your suggestions. :-) --Nadia (Kutsuit) (talk) 16:22, 13 February 2014 (UTC)