Talk:White Hispanic and Latino Americans

Collage

I made a Collage for this article,the people in the collage are limited to pics at the commons and sources which are very difficult to come by the only thing i really paid attention to is making it almost even with gender because of these limitations —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiscribe (talk • contribs) 02:47, 19 February 2010

Juan Bandini Alexis Bledel and Andy Garcia Pitbull Bob Martinez Christy Turlinton Sabrina Bryan Linda Ronstadt Ted Willaims Anita Page Madeleine Stowe Jerry Garcia Alexa Vega Martin Sheen David Farragut

and of course the ones that were already there Cameron Diaz

Rita Hayworth[1] · Christina Aguilera[2] · Kenny Florian[3] · Daphne Zuniga[4] · Romualdo Pacheco[5] · Raquel Welch[6] · Michael Lopez-Alegria[7] Cameron Diaz Ricky Martin Salma Hayek

Bob Martinez Christy Turlinton Sabrina Bryan Linda Ronstadt Ted Willaims Anita Page Madeleine Stowe Jerry Garcia Alexa Vega Martin Sheen David Farragut

and of course the ones that were already there Cameron Diaz

Rita Hayworthf>http://www.nndb.com/people/546/000031453/] · Christina Aguilera[8] · Kenny Florian[9] · Daphne Zuniga[10] · Romualdo Pacheco[11] · Raquel Welch[12] · Michael Lopez-Alegria[13] Cameron Diaz

Selma Hayek

Selma Hayek is not a white Latina. Where did this assumption come from? She doesn't eve look white at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.174.171.40 (talk) 16:45, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Selma Hayek has more indigenous blood if anything. This whole thing about Middle Easterners being white is flawed. Many of them don't even see themselves as white people. That's like saying that Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden are white. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.174.171.40 (talk) 16:47, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

How is Selma Hayek not White? Not all White people are pale. Many are tan just go to any nation along the Med. Sea. Also she is half Lebonese and even considering that Lebonese/Arab is not a race either. She's White with Med. features. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.45.60 (talk) 20:54, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

• Saddam Hussein was white too.

What indigenous are you talking about? She doesn't have indigenous Mexican blood. Her father is Lebanese and her mother is a Spaniard. Please enlighten us how she has indigenous Mexican blood? Not every body in Mexico that has olive skin and is not pale have indigenous blood. I can give you a picture test and I bet you wouldn't know which are indigenous and which are not. I bet you think Don Fransisco is indigenous but both of his parents were German Jewish immigrants. Secret killer (talk) 04:35, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

• in latin america, mestizos are "whites".. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.114.202.63 (talk) 12:36, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

In Latin American mestizos are white?..dont think so..otherwise they would be seen as the same as argentines which most arnt. Salma is Mediteranean..wheather born in Mexico or not... look at these photos of her looking natural.Picture, Picture 2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.175.247 (talk) 03:18, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Here is a very honest question (no trolling, I swear): as far as I understand, if somebody was of White-WASP descent, except for only one ancestor in their family tree being, say, indigenous or black or you name it, they're automatically labeled as indigenous or black, right? (Like when they say that Bill Richardson is Latino or that Halle Berry is Black). However if you're of 99% Black or Indigenous descent except for a tiny 1% white, that doesn't make you white, does it? Why is that?--Superflicka (talk) 08:33, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

I think this is a clash between the American understanding of race and the Latin-American and European one. For Americans one drop of non-white blood theoretically excludes an individual from being white, whereas in Latin America and Europe appearance is the key. Also Europeans consider Arabs to be white if they are white-skinned and show no sub-saharan facial features. In answer to a question above, most Europeans if asked whether Saddam Hussain was white would say "yes", whereas they might think a bit longer about OBL, many would still say yes.

Boynamedsue (talk) 05:49, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Bill Richardson is LATINO because LATINO and HISPANIC is an ethnicity, this damn article even says you can be WHITE and LATINO. I'm getting tired of idiot foreigners thinking anyone in America cares about the one drop law. Next you'll tell me that all Americans are prohibitionists or something moronic. Halle Berry is not white because she does not look white, at all, and she is half-black which makes her a black. Go complain elsewhere if you're a latin american mulatto desperate to be considered white. Arabs are also considered white in the USA, and because of our assimilation they also act like whites. In the age of being minority= getting free stuff from government some arabs want to be reclassified as a middle eastern race, but there's simply no support for it. 76.78.244.111 (talk) 01:36, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that angry person, and well done for taking caps lock off before typing. No personal attacks please. Boynamedsue (talk) 10:39, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

If it were about ethnicity as you say, which are the criteria to split hispanic from the other white? Why not to classify white in germanic, slavic, celtic, mediterranian (i.e. French, Italian, Greek, Albanian, Spaniard and Portuguese), baltic and fino-ugrian? Most hispanic don't look nordic, however some white from the USA looks like average middle class South American, for instance, Sheldon, Leonard, Howard and Raj of Big Bang theory Hlnodovic (talk) 14:21, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Not all Hispanics are 100 percent

Some of these White Hispanics have a parent of non-Spanish (i.e. English, German, Irish, etc. ancestry). For example, Martin Sheen(he was born Ramon Estevez) had a Spanish father and Irish mother. God bless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.153.115.152 (talk) 21:05, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

I have many friends with multi-racial backgrounds, and often families. This article seems to focus too much on the issue of color, an important issue to many people for sure but not the only thing to talk about in an article on such a large group of people. BigJim707 (talk) 19:48, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

I can see big jim just wanted to make a post because he wanted his words to appear on his screen, since he added nothing to the conversation. Irish and Spanish is not multiracial, you dumb hick. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.78.244.111 (talk) 01:37, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

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Religion

I noticed that religion is not mentioned in the article itself, although it is in the info box. I am sure that this must be a factor in the discussion of intermarriage. That is most Catholics would tend to marry other Catholics, that being another important factor besides race or skin color which the article focuses on. BigJim707 (talk) 19:33, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Rita Hayworth

People really need to check terminology before putting information like the follow up "American movie legend Rita Hayworth, born Margarita Carmen Cansino, was Hispanic via her father, flamenco dancer Eduardo Cansino, Sr., from Seville;"

Someone from spain is NOT hispanic, they are Spanish. Rita Hayworth's father would not be a "white hispanic" he would be White, period. He was from Spain, which is Europe, not Latin America. Fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.43.255.2 (talk) 16:28, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Of course people from Spain are hispanic, both from a historical point of view and according to the US Census Bureau. 83.165.204.154 (talk) 13:39, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

I can't believe there are people who don't understand "HISPANIC, LATINO OR SPANISH" that appears on the census. White people from spain are hispanic, they invented hispanic. This article is pretty much pointless anyway, because as the number of hispanics eligible for free stuff from the government increases the pressure will increase until the government is forced to abolish hispanic as an ethnicity and replace it with mestizo as a race, leading to all the white hispanics becoming "just white". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.78.244.111 (talk) 01:39, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Hispanic is a racist term invented for those who consider people of Spanish or Portuguese lastname as second class white. It is ridiculous to classify people of germanic, nordic, slavic, Italian, Greek, Albanian and French origin as white and exclude people from Spain and Portugal Hlnodovic (talk) 20:34, 15 February 2012 (UTC)(UTC)