Talk:White Hispanic and Latino Americans

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Collage[edit]

I made a Collage for this article,the people in the collage are limited to pics at the commons and sources which are very difficult to come by the only thing i really paid attention to is making it almost even with gender because of these limitations —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiscribe (talkcontribs) 02:47, 19 February 2010


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Juan Bandini Alexis Bledel and Andy Garcia Pitbull Bob Martinez Christy Turlinton Sabrina Bryan Linda Ronstadt Ted Willaims Anita Page Madeleine Stowe Jerry Garcia Alexa Vega Martin Sheen David Farragut

and of course the ones that were already there Cameron Diaz

Rita Hayworth[1] · Christina Aguilera[2] · Kenny Florian[3] · Daphne Zuniga[4] · Romualdo Pacheco[5] · Raquel Welch[6] · Michael Lopez-Alegria[7] Cameron Diaz Ricky Martin Salma Hayek

Bob Martinez Christy Turlinton Sabrina Bryan Linda Ronstadt Ted Willaims Anita Page Madeleine Stowe Jerry Garcia Alexa Vega Martin Sheen David Farragut

and of course the ones that were already there Cameron Diaz

Rita Hayworthf>http://www.nndb.com/people/546/000031453/] · Christina Aguilera[8] · Kenny Florian[9] · Daphne Zuniga[10] · Romualdo Pacheco[11] · Raquel Welch[12] · Michael Lopez-Alegria[13] Cameron Diaz

Race vs ethnicity[edit]

May I suggest a sentence or two explaining the difference between race and ethnicity? This is unclear to me. MBVECO (talk) 21:12, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

No. There is no need to explain the difference between these concepts to people who are too stupid to grasp them.96.231.17.247 (talk) 05:46, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

"Hispanic" = "Mestizo"?[edit]

Recent edits have added the statement that "In the United States, academia, media and political discourse, Hispanic and Latino is synonymous with Mestizo (a person of mixed European and Amerindian descent) and on occasion with Mulatto (a person of Sub-Saharan African and European descent), giving the false impression that all Hispanics and Latinos are people of color." Two citations were provided to support this.

One is a blog post. Blogs are generally not reliable sources, and none of the exceptions appear to apply here. The second appears to be a self-published essay, linked with excerpts from an "upcomming" book, (therefor currently unpublished). As no prospective publisher is cited, one cannot assume this would be published by a major publisher or some other entity which excersizes the needed control and verification to make it a reliable source.

I am going to revert the insertion of this satement. I ask that it not be reinserted without reliable sources, and preferably not without talk page discussion first. (See Bold, revert, discuss.) If either of the above sources is to be used, please provide reasons on this talk page why they should be considered reliabel sources. And PLEASE, let us keep this discussion CIVIL, and adhere strictly to the no personal attacks policy. These policies are particularly important when discussing controverisal issues or matters where people have strong feelings or opnions. DES (talk) 17:23, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

The statement is clearly false. There are many Hispanics, especially Argentines, of largely or even exclusively European ancestry. Even Pope Francis is technically Hispanic. Steeletrap (talk) 19:22, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

"White" Mestizo Hispanics[edit]

Mestizos who lack black ancestry (i.e. are mixed European and indigenous) have no 'box to check' on the census, as Native American (for federal reporting purposes) refers to indigenous people from the United States. They are therefore, probably erroneously, classified as 'white' by default. This should be noted, as it skew the 'white Hispanic count' (it is a majority, or 53%, of U.S. Hispanics, but I'd bet my bottom dollar that a large proportion of them are not perceived as white). This should be addressed in the article using reliable sources. Steeletrap (talk) 19:25, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Actually the US Census states: "'American Indian or Alaska Native'” refers to a person having origins in any of the original peoples of North and South America (including Central America) and who maintains tribal affiliation or community attachment." Also, per Census instructions, a person who is of Indigenous and European ancestry should check the box for both White and Native American. US Census Bureau Definition of Race Categories Used in the 2010 Census: "Overview of Race and Hispanic Origin: 2010" March 2011Patapsco913 (talk) 23:10, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
You need a tribal registration (or connection to an NA community) to check that box; unlike (for example) Asian or African American, ancestry is not sufficient. While it does indeed encompass Mexico (and Guatemala, Costa Rica, etc), this leaves out all of South America, from which most Hispanics descend. Hence almost no Hispanics -- including Mestizos -- check "native american." There is ample evidence that they feel they don't have a race that applies to them. I stand corrected on the Central America thing; I meant to say it excludes South america. Steeletrap (talk) 08:01, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

As Patapsco913 says, the US Census Bureau includes South American Natives in the box "American Indian or Alaska Native"....but it is true that most of those Hispanics who answer "Some Other Race" (43%) are Multiracial or Native. I am from Spain and I don´t think that English speaking Hispanics exist. That is ridiculous. If they are English speaking, then they are Anglos and if they are White they should be included among White Anglos, not among White Hispanics, or, if they are Black, they should be included among Black Anglos, not among Black Hispanics....but the U.S. media tries to portrait Hispanics as a race, the "Brown" race, something similar to the "Coloureds" in South Africa....but remember that the great Afrikaner leader, General Jacobus de la Rey had also Spanish ancestry, lol.--83.63.225.149 (talk) 18:11, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Salma Hayek is not White![edit]

Salma Hayek is not even perceived as white in Latin America or Mexico! So why here? I remember an interview Salma said she was too dark and short for leading roles in Mexico so no one paid attention to her. Her father is NOT full Lebanese but HALF Lebanese and half Mexican (info in the spanish article I linked). This is her not-white father, he's the shortest one btw the other three Mexican men that don't look different from him proof Then there's her "spanish" mother from Veracruz of all places! Yeah that's pretty hard to swallow.--76.213.237.54 (talk) 18:10, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

You do realize the Spanish language is of European decent, right? And you do realize that Spaniards are white, right? Just like Portuguese or French and any other spoken language in the Latino/Hispanic communities (where do you think the word Latino comes from? e.g. latin languages aka Spainish, Italian, French, Portuguese etc etc). Skin colour does not constitute "white" or "non-white". There are different shades of "white" to begin with. Case in point: President Obama is a white man, believe it or not (his mother was white etc), just because one would identify him as purely a black man based on certain characteristics, does no longer make him white. When the Spanish came to the Americas and conquered/slaughtered/raped the natives of the land, they left more behind than just their language. These faces of Latin/Hispanic America are not necessarily native to these lands. Look at characteristics of Aztecs, Mayans, and Incas and now compare them to modern day Hispanics/Latinos. See the difference? Sure, some more than others do look more native, but many don't at all (in fact a lot of natives have very eastern/southeastern Asian characteristics). How could this be? Oh right, it is called mating or in a lot of cases: offspring of rape etc. This comes with migration and exploration, and yes conquistadors. Once you get off your high horse, you will realize how the world is really a lot more connected than you may think. Don't even get me started with the Moors from the Middle-East conquering Spain/Portugal/Parts of Italy/France before the conquistadors had their way with the "new world". Oh, and lets overlook the entire Roman Empire, which compromised of Europe, Africa and the middle east, even before all this. You are not as "pure" as you may have been lead or want to believe. I surely am not. Read up on history, please. Thank you. 98.112.130.156 (talk) 10:48, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
*roll eyes* Yes actually I know cause I'm Hispanic! And Salma is NOT white/criolla. She's 1/4 Mexican from her father plus whatever little black/amerindian blood her Veracruzan mother might have hidden. I estimate she's at least 20% non-Caucasian blood in her. She's considered castiza, mixed, not white Comprendes.--76.213.234.161 (talk) 23:22, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

saying "White Hispanic" is an Oxymoron + Change the title[edit]

Who says "White Anglo"???... yeah that's what I thought. The word Hispanic itself is White by default hence why the Hispanics that marked the "'Some other race' category are reclassified as white by the Census Bureau in its official estimates of race" as stated in the article. I think the title should read "Hispanic & Latin American Whites" cause that's how "Non-Hispanic Whites" would read out in that order. --76.213.234.161 (talk) 00:28, 12 April 2014 (UTC)