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[edit] Whitney Houston: The Voice; Obvious POV
Who the hell added this section? It sounds like some crazed Whitney fan trying to make her into the greatest singer of all time. This is blatant POV pushing if I've ever seen it and goes against Wikipedia's neutrality policy. Someone please either take it down or edit it so it looks like a professional vocal profile. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.26.190.173 (talk) 00:09, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
But that's what she's actually been called, so why take it down? Also if Christina Aguilairia has a vocal section on her profile, why doesn't Whitney? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.226.1 (talk) 14:22, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
That wasn't a vocal profile, it was a paragraph praising Whitney as the best singer in the world. A vocal profile goes into the technical aspects of a person's voice. It lists things like a person's range, voice type, highest note, lowest note, longest note, and it may go into different registers as well. She's called "The Voice" but if it was already mentioned in the heading, you don't need another section about it. Citing a music or voice expert's opinion about Whitney's voice is another matter. Whitney deserves a voice section, but it should sound professional and not fan-made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.26.188.254 (talk) 13:38, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
The section doesn't even give any citations to her being called "The Voice". It only put her in a few lists as a successful singer. There are unverified statements in it (like her being an influence to other singers), and I call for a motion to delete the section due to a violation of WP:POV as well as a lack of information and statements that do not deal with the section at hand. BalticPat22Pat 20:29, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Somebody Please Make A Vocal Profile Better
[edit] Vandalism
The page is being vandalized by the minute. Why don't you lock it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.190.47 (talk) 19:42, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
[edit] One biography
I'm going to combine music career, movie career, personal life, and philantroy into one biography. Since that is what the madonna, janet, michael jackson articles are like. Shoop85 (talk) 02:36, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Heading
Who keeps changing the heading from "Global rise to prominence 1985-1986" to "rise to prominence 1985-1986" ? If Mariah Carey's article can have a heading like "Worldwide popularity", then surely Whitney Houston's can have one too as Whitney became known internationally upon her debut release and it took Mariah several albums. Also Whitney is well-known and established in dozens of international markets, as Mariah is well-known and established in a handful of countries outside of America. As such, Whitney deserves a "global" or "worldwide" in her heading.
Who keeps putting in the article that thanks to the success of "The Bodygaurd" soundtrack, the movie did well. This is basically an attacking remark and it doesn't belong in the article. The movie did extremely well when it was first released, so there's no proof it was simply because of the soundtrack. Madonna has released plenty (and I mean plenty) of soundtracks that did well but the movie performed poorly. So just to state that "The Bodyguard" did well mostly thanks to the soundtrack is not true or proven. It could be, as I suspect, that people went to see the movie because she's was widely internationally known, photogentic looks for the big screen, and people wanted to see her in a medium outside music. The movie most likely would have been successful even without an adjoining soundtrack, so that "thanks in large part to the soundtrack" remark needs to be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 (talk) 02:42, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
[edit] No discography
Is there a particular reason why there is no discography on this page? That was my initial reason for visiting the article, seeing as all other artist pages have discographies. 97.102.151.47 (talk) 13:48, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
There was one but some idiot keeps removing it for some reason. They are trying to be funny. Shoop85 (talk) 20:53, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Lock
This article was locked for a long time. Ever since it became unlocked, people have been inserting garbage. Someone is always making crack jokes, some are calling her the N word, someone remvoes the discography, someone keeps making up info about a movie. Can we get the article locked again? I think all big name celebrities should have their pages locked because there are always idiots going around messing things up. Shoop85 (talk) 20:55, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Proposed Deletion
List of awards received by Whitney Houston has been nominated for deletion, on, apparently, the grounds that List of awards received by Michael Jackson does not exist. Uncle G (talk) 04:53, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Well Whitney Houston is the most awarded female artist ever, so I think it should remain. Are Madonna, Mariah Carey, Beyonce, or Janet's Award list pages nominated for deletion too?Shoop85 (talk) 22:58, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
[edit] best selling soundtrack of all time??
This article states that the soundtrack to "The Bodyguard" became the best-selling soundtrack of all time: "Houston continued her success into the 1990s, starting with the box office hit The Bodyguard. The soundtrack to the movie is the best-selling soundtrack of all time ...." and yet, the Wikipedia article for Saturday Night Fever: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Fever states that that soundtrack was the best-selling soundtrack of all time: "A huge commercial success, the movie significantly helped to popularize disco music around the world and made Travolta a household name. The Saturday Night Fever soundtrack, featuring disco songs by the Bee Gees, became the best selling soundtrack of all time." SO which one is the best selling soundtrack of all time??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.10.77.69 (talk) 05:40, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
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- People have many different opinions to what is the best selling soundtrack. Many different sources say many different things. We will never know which album actually sold the most, partly because of inflated sales from falsely created facts and partly because it is simply impossible to accurately figure out the worldwide sales of albums of such scale and magnitude. BalticPat22Pat 16:08, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Legacy / Impact
This page definitely needs a section on Whitney's legacy, impact on other artists, and maybe even her influences. What do you all think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.127.30.72 (talk) 02:08, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
I agree, I already had started writing one a few months ago. I'm still looking for more information. I'll try to finish it before the new album is released though. Shoop85 (talk) 21:16, 23 April 2009 (UTC)Shoop85
[edit] Awards
According to the Guinness Book of World Records, Whitney Houston is the most awarded female artist of all time with 411 awards. Why isn't this achievement in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.225.246.65 (talk) 09:10, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Biggest selling gospel album??
I am wondering how is The Preacher's Wife soundtrack the biggest selling gospel album??..The are pop songs on this album so the entire soundtrack was not gospel...So that info would be incorrect! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miketlow (talk • contribs) 07:47, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
The reason is because it is a gospel album. "I Believe In You And Me" and "Step By Step" may be the only songs that could possibly be not considered gospel, but even they have a theme and message which one can take as religious. An example, let's say I made an album and 12 of the songs were rock songs on the lines of Daughtry or Bon Jovi. For the last two songs (#13 and #14) I covered a Michael Jackson and a Lionel Ritchie song, respectively. I didn't sing them as those artists did, but they were not arranged as rock songs with blaring guitars; just more pop. My album would still be considered a rock album due to the overwhelming theme of the material; i.e twelve of th 14 songs are rock songs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 (talk) 23:55, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Image
Why is there no image? Surely there must be a free image of Whitney somewhere that we can use? (Lil-unique1 (talk) 00:56, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
4:27, 13 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.68.164.7 (talk)
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[edit] Pictures in the article
I saw a couple of days ago that there were pictures at certain points in the article such as when she was younger at one of her first studio recordings winning her first grammy and so on, and was disapointed to see that they are no longer there, I think anyone who is a fan of hers and can put pictures in the article should post them again, lol. Just so that her profile is like every other famous celebrity, i.e. Michael Jackson. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.168.144.230 (talk) 17:23, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
- The reason why images of Whitney Houston are removed is because she is alive. Thus, free images are preferred rather than fair use (copyrighted images). Unless circumstances are rare, (For example, she trips on stage. Someone uploads a picture of her tripping on stage and mentions the incident in the article) this would satisfy fair use. With the late Michael Jackson, his circumstances are different, because he is not alive. However, Wikipedia has enough free images to include in his article. If a famous person who is alive has an image on Wikipedia, it is a free image. Please see this page for additional help. miranda 20:37, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
There should be a picture of her. This entire article has no pictures of Whitney Houston in it. She has been in the music industry for 25 years; there's no reason pictures should not be there; and also one need to be at the top in the beginning of the article. Everytime a picture is put in the article, someone removes it. I personally think someone is trying to be funny. And keep the nonsense about there are no pictures to put in the article. Surely in the nearly three decades of her career, there are pictures that can be used. How can it be explained that Mariah has pictures in her article plus links to hear those songs of hers, but Whitney doesn't have pictures or links. The links are just shameless promotion, and I notice they're not in most recording acts articles so they should be taken out of Mariah's article. Stop trying to spruce up her sales! I've said it before and I'll say it again; I believe the administrator who oversees this article is a big Marey Carey fan and allows things like no pictures in Whitney Houston's article to happen. Even promotional pictures from her album covers can be used. Someone needs to get on it and stop this nonsense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 (talk) 00:10, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Photographs of Whitney on tour etc
I added from Flikr, they have been reviewed and they are fine to keep, do not delete them.
Also, I don't know how to categorize them so if someone could do it it would be greatly appreciated! Jayy008 (talk) 19:07, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
[edit] "Waiting to Exhale" is not a Houston album.
- I am getting sick and tired of reverting vandals and their efforts to lie about her compilation discography. "Waiting to Exhale" is NOT a Houston album. It's not included in her RIAA total, nor her IFPI albums total. No reputable source states this album is hers alone. If users continue to vandalise the discography section, then I will personally report them to administrators. It's time-consuming to revert them, and my patience is ending. Please feel free to reply if you have any questions or comments on this issue. BalticPat22Patrick 15:35, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
[edit] One Wish: The Holiday Album
Right okay i'm getting really sick and tired of the person who keeps changing I Look to You to seventh album, i kept changing it back to sixth and someone else was obv changing it back to sixth aswell so thank you to who done that aswell lol, and now the person who changed it to seventh album has now changed it to say "I Look To You is the seventh overall album" which is an absolute joke, considering every other STUDIO album in the article starts of by sayin "Whitney is the second studio album by..." "I'm Your Baby Tonight is the third studio album by..." there is no need fot this and not just in whitneys article every album article which is a studio album says the album name then studio album. I don't see why you keep changing it whoever you are, your obv a weirdo, one wish isn't a studio album:S leave it be you'll save a lot of hassle. anyone agree? and does anyone know how you can lock this article for someone to keep it who is reliable and stop taking things out, i.e. pictures and stop from getting the page vandalised, i think it's only fair that it is as every other big celebritys page is locked. and c'mon it's whitney houston lol. sake just rote a big bible man haha. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.168.144.230 (talk) 05:39, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Photo's
I'm still waiting on a reply from the user that deleted them but it seems everytime the photo's are uploaded somebody delete's them. It's highly annoying and I can't be bothered to go through and upload them again. They were reviewed via Flikr bot. The only reason I can think of is that somebody doesn't like Whitney Houston and doesn't want to look at her. Jayy008 (talk) 15:54, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Or jealous of her success. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 (talk) 18:42, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
[edit] 1996 Tour?
There's no mention of this. I don't have any details but she did some kind of small European Tour in summer 1996, with one UK date in Manchester. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.127.204.250 (talk) 13:22, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Let's Not Forget The Purpose Of All This
In this article I have removed silly things like a strap or button breaking on her gown, silly things like when she was performing on X-Factor and it was "weird" (what was weird about it?), and things like her redeeming herself at the next perform because it was good (whatever). There are thousands of magazines, newspapers, television shows, radio programs and so forth around the world, so unless something is universally loved or panned by nearly all those media outlets, just shifting through thousand of comments so you can find a bad comment doesn't justify putting it in the article; neither does a good one. I don't want to resort to name calling but, basically, these stupid things have no place in an encyclopedia article.
Encyclopedia articles are meant to inform the reader of important facts that the reader may not have known, not relaying trivial information. This was the same reason the powers-that-be decided it wasn't necessary to put in Beyonce's article that Beyonce fell down a flight of stairs while performing in Orlando (okay, so be it). But putting in Whitney Houston's article that a strap on her back came undone while performing, and her performance being weird when there was nothing weird about it, and then redeeming herself, is nonsense. There's no mention of the important facts like Whitney Houston is the only female artist with a 40+ million selling album; "The Bodyguard" is the top selling album of the entire 1990s; she is the most awarded musical act (male or female) with 412 awards, just receiving the last one Nov 22nd 2009 at the American Music Awards. How can you possiby justify not having this accomplishment in the article but you can put a button broke on her outfit while singing a song?
Also, during the 1989 time frame, there's even a line that says "many black critics 'reasoned' she was selling out". Well first of all, who expected black people to just be regulated to the R&B charts. Whitney Houston, along with Michael Jackson, Run DMC, Salt-N-Pepa, and MC Hammer broke that stereotype as they all had received silly comment like that. Now today, there is not a black artist out there who doesn't want pop hits. They know with that comes money and power. So those aforementioned acts deserve credit for correcting the next generations mind set, not having things written about them saying some black people incorrectly 'reasoned' something. Obviously she did it correctly because black artists today are making pop, hip-hop pop, rock, and musical acts like Jay Z teamimg up with rock bands. The correct phrasing on this topic should be: "some black critics didn't understand or appreciate her pop undertakings at the time". That would be more accurate and a correct statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 (talk) 20:00, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Photo
The person who keeps deleting the profile photo needs to get a fucking grip! it obv some twat who doesn't like whitney houston i think somebody should get the page locked.
