Talk:Whole tone scale

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Can't the whole tone scale also be called 6-tet? 6 notes equal temperament scale? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:35, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


I added a {{fact}} tag to the end of the paragraph describing the effect of the whole tone scale since I think that subjective claim needs a citation. What else in the article needs verification or citation? Hyacinth (talk) 00:42, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

"The AB Guide To Music Theory" - Eric Taylor, ISBN 1-85472-447-9, p. 246 "Since the notes of the whole tone scale are the same distance apart, they all seem to be of equal importance. None automatically stands out as a tonic or dominant." - that any good?

surely there must be many more references in the literature re. the whole tone scale's "rootless" nature. it is not as well known a device as the stack of minor thirds that makes up what is commonly called a "diminished seventh" but the principle is similar - the equidistance of intervals. (talk) 14:11, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Rootlessness is not the same as dreamy. (Close, I think.) Hyacinth (talk) 16:47, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
hmm... don't know about the 'dreamy' film music thing though! it's not the sort of language I like to see in music theory articles. but the 'rootlessness' of whole tone scales and their use as such is well documented (talk) 14:19, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
What's wrong with "dreamy"? Hyacinth (talk) 16:47, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

ah yeah, I wan't sure if you wanted to call attention to the whole paragraph or just that one "dreamy" sentence with the {{fact}} tag. anyway, nice edit. As per your "...depict the ominous", "depict the dreamy" would be better IMO, the composer's intent to "depict" being the key thing. -- (talk) 12:23, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


I have removed the "Pythagoras" section as it is not talking about the whole tone scale. If you map the intervals in that scale from the text: "The allowing arrangement is most generally accepted for the musical intervals of the planets between the earth and the sphere of the fixed stars: From the sphere of the earth to the sphere of the moon; one tone; from the sphere of the moon to that of Mercury, one half-tone; from Mercury to Venus, one-half; from Venus to the sun, one and one-half tones; from the sun to Mars, one tone; from Mars to Jupiter, one-half tone; from Jupiter to Saturn, one-half tone; from Saturn to the fixed stars, one-half tone. The sum of these intervals equals the six whole tones of the octave."

... you get (starting at C):

C D D# E G A A# B C

By contast the C whole tone scale is:

C D E F# G# A# C

The confusion is the last sentence "the sum of these intervals equals the six whole tones of the octave". It does _not_ mean the scale is a whole tone scale, if means if you add up the half, whole and whole-and-a-half tone intervals, you end up with six tones - an octave. It would be just as true to say "equals the twelve half tones of the octave", but that doesn't mean the scale is chromatic.

Tobus2 (talk) 05:26, 21 September 2012 (UTC)