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Leaving it as it is for now, but I'm not 100% on whether the Bear Island incident was the first or third trip. Sherurcij(Speaker for the Dead) 01:41, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm not entirely sure but I know of the incident from something I've read that was based on the diary from Gerrit de Veer. Since he didn't participate in the first voyage that would suggest the incident took place on the third voyage. But, as said, it was based on, it wasn't the diary itself. Richard 08:02, 7 December 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Richardw nl (talk • contribs)
Yeah, though I saw a journal reference the other day while looking stuff up that said somethingalong the lines of "since De Veer wasn't present on this voyage, it seems likely that Barentsz had provided him with copies of his logs" (not specific to the bear incident, something else I don't remember). The book currently used as a citation definitely says the earlier year, but web references seem to suggest the later year. Sherurcij(Speaker for the Dead) 09:56, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
The Bear Island incident occurred on June 12 1596 (Gerrits, 1609, p. 76). The July 9 1594 bear incident occurred NO WHERE NEAR BEAR ISLAND. It happened in Bear Creak, Williams Island, which is part of or near Novaya Zemlya. I'm strapped for time at the moment, so I'll look into it further tomorrow. And please do not revert my edits. Thank you. Jonas Poole (talk) 03:17, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Since the Dutch use the same alphabet, I can think of no reason we should refer to him as Barents rather than Barentsz - yes English texts in the past centuries have taken it upon themselves to anglicise the name - but I don' think WP is doing anybody a service be furthering that. Willem Barents should point to Willem Barentsz - not the other way around. Sherurcij(Speaker for the Dead) 21:27, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I live on Terschelling, his place of birth and even we are not entirely sure wich way was correct, it is believed thath it should have been barentszoon as in son of barents
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