Talk:William Herschel

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Not Jewish[edit]

Sir William Herschel was definitively not jewish, nor he had any jewish ancestry. The Herschel family was always christian (evangelic), as was the family of his mother. Hans Herschel, the great-grandfather of William Herschel, was fisher and brewer in Pirna county / Saxony. See http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/0001/bsb00016409/images/index.html?seite=711 . Grandfathers and fathers old-testament-names (Abraham and Isaak, respectively) were very common in protestant families in that period (see e.g. the names of Isaac Newton, Jonathan Swift, Benjamin Franklin, Abraham Lincoln ...). William Herschels entry in Jewish Encyclopedia in 1906 (the "source" for his alleged "jewishness") is based on error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.113.52.122 (talk) 13:32, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Not jewish (Religion), but, he came from jewish People! And this is the point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.232.28.151 (talk) 23:39, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Two biographers (earlier than the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia) cite him as decended from converted Moravian Jews, and these are now cited as notes in the article.--Smerus (talk) 06:16, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Were Kepler, Newton, Planck also Jewish? Stopp writing this absurd! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.178.68.67 (talk) 14:39, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

This discussion is about Herschel, not about Kepler, Newton or Planck. You shouldn't really remove information supported by a WP:RS just becaue you don't like it. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:52, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Source please apart from the fantasy of Edward S. Holden without any documents! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.178.68.67 (talk) 15:23, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Who else, apart from yourself, claims that the work of Edward S. Holden was a "fantasy". If you have concerns about the reliability of that source, you could raise then at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:44, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

We need documents, which indicate Herschels family was originally Jewish and comes from converted Moravian Jews. No single source in German designates this fact. The Jewish Encyclopedia is not a secure source! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.178.68.67 (talk) 15:42, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

You mean "No single source in German that you have seen designates this fact." I haven't seen one either, but that doesn't really prove they don't exist, does it. Do you have a source that says categorically that he had no Jewish ancenstry? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:49, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Comets[edit]

In this article, it says that Caroline "discovered eight comets". In the article on Caroline, it says that she discovered "several comets". In the Talk page of the article on Caroline, it is implied that she only discovered five and that the other three were re-discovered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.36.65 (talk) 13:32, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Jimmboi98, 12 June 2010[edit]

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Jimmboi98 (talk) 21:01, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

You have not made a request. Please request a specific "change this to that"-style change. fetch·comms 21:16, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Technical expert[edit]

What is meant by naming Herschel a "technical expert" in the first line of the introduction. Neither the words "technical" or "expert" appear anywhere else in the article. Is it meant as a synonym of technical advisor? Arbitrarily0 (talk) 16:17, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Right, the phrase "technical expert" is not very meaningful. I've removed it, but we might understand that it might have been intended as a place keeper for adding additional dimensions to the things Herschel did. He was something of a scientific celebrity in his time, and people often looked to him for scientific advice. DoctorTerrella (talk) 14:41, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Sun Spot / Climate[edit]

Something like "Herschel also collected records of the price of wheat, as direct meteorological measurements were not available for a sufficient period" is a) false, he took that series from a book by a certain Adam Smith. b) Such assumptions are WP:Synth repectively Original research. The correlation between sun spots and wheat prices was significant, ridiculed by his contemporaries but valid for the time in question. Its not working as a generic means of forecast. The assumption that all planets and the sun where inhabited might sound weird but was not at all "wild speculation" in Herschels days, the claim is pure original research and not at all being backed by the ORF source. Serten (talk) 10:09, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Serten, you are right, Herschel didn't collect any records on the price of wheat; he just used Adam Smith's data. His original 1801 (?) paper was, partly, a report on a search for correlation with sunspots, and it was, by his own account, speculative. He was hoping to spur discussion on the subject of the role of the sun in long-term climate change. As for "significance", these days, with a modern philosophy for hypothesis testing, this is established after successful prediction of the future, or at least, after successful prediction of an objective data set that was not used in formulating the hypothesis of interest. Herschel's correlation has not successfully predicted future wheat prices, so it is not significant. Even though the notion of "significance", in the statistical sense of the word, did not exist in Herschel's time, Herschel can certainly be praised for putting forward an interesting hypothesis. Sincerely, DoctorTerrella (talk) 15:07, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Dottore, I fully support nearly all what you wrote, however disagree with one sentence: "Herschel's correlation has not successfully predicted future wheat prices, so it is not significant". Herschel did successfully predict some of the wheat price developements during his livetime. Wether you and I see herschel as being significant or not is our personal point of view / opinion. the article needed third party opinions like the one of Michael Lockwood / NIr Shaviv which - in contrary to J. J Love - clearly state that Herschel had a point and was one of the pioneers of modern research for solar influenes on climate, which is important as of today. Serten (talk) 15:48, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
As said, the previous version had major issues. I insofar dont understand why it was reverted without refering to the disk entry. In so far I reverted to the improved version, which has actual sources and significantly reduced OR content. Serten (talk) 12:17, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
The "wild speculation" OR about Herschels assumption, that the moon and planets were populated is plainly wrong. To the contrary, most scientists of herschels time found ample evidence of life on other planets, while most religious thinkers tried to preserve the uniqueness of the creation of life on earth. That now backed by some entries about Herschel - including his claim of life in the sun - in George Basalla Oxford University Press book. I insofar would appreciate to have the improvements accepted. Serten (talk) 13:09, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello Serten, basically i have reverted your edits because the new references do not meet Wikipedia standards (linking to a lecture for instance). However, i did not looked into this in more detail. prokaryotes (talk) 15:38, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Hmm Prokaryotes - the article still has links to oral presentations - e.g. source 25, which have not been introduced by me. I have not quoted any lecture and I ask you to compare the value of the previous sources (e.g. a blog entry of an Austrian TV channel) you reverted to with the spectacular-big-super-great-wise-crazy-scientist-egghead stuff I have provided. Maybe I have made some formating errors, I therfore apologize for causing misunderstandings ;). Serten (talk) 16:56, 16 August 2014 (UTC)