Talk:Windows Live Messenger
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- 1 Version 2009
- 2 Current screenshot - Privacy concerns?
- 3 Screenshot problem
- 4 CONTACT LIST LIMIT
- 5 Windows-2000-incompatible Build 14
- 6 server
- 7 Screenshot image promotes xpango.com
- 8 Cleartype cannot be disabled in most recent version
- 9 I'M Initiative
- 10 Interoperability
- 11 BREAKS SAMBA/CIFS!!!!!!!
- 12 RE: "all users of versions 8.1 and newer need to update to the latest version"
- 13 Mac version
- 14 Update
- 15 Citation needed
- 16 Proposed merged
- 17 Proposed merger from Messenger Mobile (Microsoft)
- 18 Windows Live Messenger not yet discontinued/terminated; article inaccurate for the time being
- 19 ????
Since the current version of WLM isn't ever referred to anywhere as "Windows Live Messenger 2009" perhaps it should be denoted as "Windows Live Messenger (2009)" or "Windows Live Messenger (14.0)." --Resplendent (talk) 09:09, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Current screenshot - Privacy concerns?
The current screenshot contains a number of personal email addresses. Although the image probably won't fall victim to any kind of spam bot it still exposes these email addresses to the world (if they are real, that is?). Should the screenshot be removed or edited to exclude these emails? The same is to be said about the image in the file's history. Stoosh (talk) 03:24, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with you. The current screenshots potential violate the privacy of the individuals whose accounts those email addresses belong to. I recommend the images be edited so that the email addresses are blurred or at the very least the files should be tagged with information like: 'Permission has been obtained to use this image by the individuals whose email accounts are shown'.- Jack (Talk) 04:23, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
- I've edited the caption, and agree it should be changed entirely. HuGo_87 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:46, 31 March 2009 (UTC).
CONTACT LIST LIMIT
THE LIMIT IS 1000 WHEN YOU GO OVER THAT IT SHOWS NEW PEOPLE YOU ADD THEY APPEAR AS OFFLINE AND THEY CANT MESSAGE YOU EVEN IF THEY ADD YOU AND YOU ADD THEM THIS INCLUDES IF YOU BLOCK EVERYONE WHO ISNT ON YOUR CONTACT LIST ON YOUR CONTACT LIST OR NOT YOU CAN STILL TALK TO PEOPLE NOT ON YOUR CONTACT LIST IN CONFERENCES BUT NOT OUTSIDE OF IF YOU TRY TO COPY THE ADDRESS OF SOMEONE YOU HAVENT ADDED IN A CONFERENCE ADDRESS AND PASTE IT IN THE BOX ON THE MSN PAGER MAIN CLIENT WINDOW AND PASTE IT INTO THE BOX WHERE YOU WANNA MESSAGE OTHER USERS OUTLOOK EXPRESS JUST COMES AND YOURE PROMPTED TO EMAIL THEM TELLING THE TRUTH IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME TRY IT FOR YOURSELVES —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 21:35, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Windows-2000-incompatible Build 14
It seems as if "Windows Live Messenger 2009" (Build 14) now kicks out all users of old computers which can only run Win2000 (because XP takes too much ressources). Since I updated to "Build 14", the audio and video-connection to my parents has seized to work. That is a PITA, because I am abroad - and they just can't solve the problem.
this program does not work on windows server 2003
Screenshot image promotes xpango.com
The main application screenshot should be replaced. In the user status field, it is advertising xpango.com, encouraging users to sign up and get a free console. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sural (talk • contribs) 13:14, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Cleartype cannot be disabled in most recent version
Article originally noted that it had an ongoing lifespan, this has been corrected as the program has now concluded. Reference located on article.
"The announcement came after years of third-party interoperability success (most notably, Trillian, Pidgin)..."
- It's only true if you don't bother to make a distinction between Client-Side Interoperability, where client software lets you connect into multiple services with multiple accounts, and Server-Side Interoperability, where a client can connect into one service with one account, and have the ability to message clients using other services from that one account. So the current blurb here is certainly fuzzy. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 04:51, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
The "Live Sign-In Assistant", which is no longer optional in the 2011 package, completely breaks Samba/CIFS file sharing ability in Windows.
Unlike previous versions, it CANNOT be removed without removing every bit of the Live Essentials package.
- I'm guessing a slightly more NPOV tone (losing the insults would be a good start) might have made your edits more acceptable, although the sourcing is still pretty weak. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 04:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
RE: "all users of versions 8.1 and newer need to update to the latest version"
I just tried installing 8.0 and MSN Messenger 7.0 and it wouldn't let me. It said I have to update. I'm trying to install an older version so that I can handwrite to the 5% of my friends who also have an older version still. Maybe I'll switch messengers, but I need one that works with Windows Live Groups. But anyway, the point is that maybe this should be mentioned somewhere. I don't know exactly how far you have to go before you stop getting this error because I'm giving up for now, but MSN Messenger 7.0 forces you to update. I had an older one going just fine, but I just formatted and I don't know which version it was. I'll try 6.0 later, but I'm done for now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 10:15, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Hm... today I just noticed a notification to upgrade to the latest version of Windows Live Messenger. I have version 2009, I wonder if anyone else has noticed this too? —Platinum Lucario talk 06:25, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, I've noticed too!! The message appears EVERYTIME you start the messenger. There is no option shown like "remember me later" or something like that. Since this message appears now in this "insisting" way, I wonder if they will force all the version 2009 users to update in a few days, like this is the way they've gone in the past. And I don't know what kind of update they will offer me, if it is just the version 2011 or if it is an updated version 2009 (maybe with more restrictions then the old version). I was searching in the net for information and didn't find anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 10:05, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
I included a "citation needed" tag on the sentence "On the same date, a version of Windows Live Messenger for Zune also became available." The reason and rationale which led me to do this is that the sentence in question does not mention any sources, e.g., it doesn't say "Microsoft released a Zune version of Windows Live Messenger". Please verify with two (or more) sources and add information to that section. --Marceki111 (talk) 12:25, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose - The article Messenger (Microsoft service) already exist and refers to the Messenger protocol. Windows Live Messenger remains the client for Windows 7 and below users to connect to this protocol. Other clients, including the Messaging app in Windows 8, Web Messenger, various Windows Live Messenger clients for iOS, also connects to this protocol. Further, the most recent release of Windows Essentials 2012 still contains Windows Live Messenger - and that is the title of the program. There's nothing that indicates the removal of Windows Live from its official name, not yet. --Damaster98 (talk) 07:22, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
- Support: Messenger (Microsoft service) is custom proprietary protocol behind the client currently known as Windows Live Messenger. These two topics are hard separate, and even if done so, they share quite a lot in their scope. Two articles seem to be impractical. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 09:13, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose: Actually, the protocol is Microsoft Notification Protocol and the service is Microsoft Messenger service (in whatever name). There several clients listed under Microsoft Messenger service#Software, both official and 3rd-party. I believe there are significant differences between the clients, the service, and the protocol itself. If there was a useful merger proposal I believe it would be to merge the service into the protocol as they are almost always used together. One could argue merging the clients into the protocol as well but this is stickier in my opinion since there several official as well as 3rd-party implementations. Uzume (talk) 11:46, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose: Wikipedia:Summary style is the answer. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 08:26, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
Proposed merger from Messenger Mobile (Microsoft)
- Support: I myself support this merge. Content seems relevant and size seems not to be a matter. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 08:29, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
Windows Live Messenger not yet discontinued/terminated; article inaccurate for the time being
Several times on this article it states that Windows Live Messenger has already been discontinued/terminated; this is currently untrue. Though a download link is no longer provided on an official Windows web site, the Windows Live Messenger servers are still online, and it is still possible to log in and use its provided services. For the time being this article is inaccurate (though I can provide no source to prove this) and should be considered for reversal until a more reliable and up-to-date source can confirm that the servers are officially closed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 00:09, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
It doesn't work anymore, not even in China. Maybe it meant for people using the Chinese version? I don't even see people still using it, maybe Microsoft China still wants to keeps some jobs for the Messenger team... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 05:56, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
- I couldn't connect to Messenger using either Kopete or Pidgin for months. I found some time to investigate the problem a couple of weeks ago. I then noticed that even Windows Live Messenger wouldn't let me connect, saying I should update, so it wasn't just yet another protocol change. I also read about the shutdown/merge then. I then realized that I could still use my account via Outlook.com. Shortly after, I realized that I can now use my account normally again, via either Kopete or Pidgin.
- Either Microsoft has recently reopened Messenger (I live in Quebec), or the situation is really complex (logging via Outlook.com would allow you to re-start using your account?). Confused --Chealer (talk) 22:13, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
Persistent editing problem
A problem that persists in regard to discontinuation is the occastional self-contradictory edits. For instance, I recently reverted an edit by Saint1997 (I hope you are seeing this, dear Saint1997, so that you can discuss if you wish) that claimed Messenger is not discontinued in China despite the article body citing Microsoft's announcement. The problem with this edit is that it has taken "discontinued" to mean "completely killed". This is not true. A discontinued product is simply not produced or updated anymore. For example, Microsoft Expression Web is discontinued but still works and can still be downloaded.
This is technical jargon for experts. The lead paragraph should state what Messenger does, for the benefit of those who don't already know. This article does not tell me anything. An expert wouldn't bother looking it up, so who will read this? Beginners. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 20:09, 10 May 2013 (UTC)