Talk:Winter War

Winter details

I changed the conversion of celcius to fahrenheit. -104 degrees fahrenheit is in fact -75 degrees C, whereas -40C is, oddly enough, -40F. Small point in case the moderators get stressed at my editing.

Some one who knows the script, please help clean this up

Seems like the graphic table is messy quite a bit when I get in today. Any writer who knows what to do, please help. (May 17, 2007)

Franco-British plan

The peace treaty thwarted the Franco-British plan to send troops to Finland through northern Scandinavia. I think what thwarted the plan was how long it took the Western Democracies to act. By the time the Finns gave in they had almost nothing to fight with. Jokem (talk) 03:09, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Soviet casualties

I think those Soviet casualties are too low and the source is Soviet, so it cannot be trusted. If Soviet casualties would have been so low, Russians would have just walked over Finland. --Taistelu-Jaska (talk) 13:31, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Then provide more solid figures. --Jaan Pärn (talk) 14:58, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

There is nice bit of information regarding Soviet loss reports in the notes section - which refers to Manninen's "Molotovin cocktail - Hitlerin sateenvarjo" book. The book in question however concludes that it is very difficult to get accurate number from Soviet archives and notes that even Russian historian (?) Pavel Aptekar acknowledges that 1940 information of Soviet losses of the Winter War is not reliable. Regardless of reliability of his source materials trusting Krivosheyev is at times also a bit difficult since the section regarding Winter War starts with references to Finnish German military co-operation in the years leading to the Winter War and goes of describing Mannerheim line as 90 km deep defensive zone and how Finland declared war on Soviet Union etc. etc. (which to put to it bluntly is utter bull). However regardless of reservations - however well founded they might be - those seem to be the best currently available sources. - Wanderer602 (talk) 16:21, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Krivosheyev is so full of shit that his writings smell of manure. Entire soviet divisions were wiped out in single battles. The ice in Ladoga and the ocean were blown up at large attacks.. and tens of thousands drowned. There are tiny little islands that saw total chaos during the battles.. with thousands of soviet bodies still left there, just below the surface. Add to that the daily battles and it is quite clear that Krivosheyevs makebelieve numbers are total bullshit. Even the earlier accepted estimation of about 250.000 dead soviets would be a rather mild estimation. Chrustjev actually mentioned 1 million dead, even though he had reasons to miscredit his predesessor.

I've added an alternate, sourced figure that incorporates a Finnish perspective.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 17:32, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

This was discussed before, with your participation. Outdated estimates have no place in the infobox, but can be added to Winter_War#Finnish_views (Finnish) or Winter_War#Soviet_views (Soviet), if dated and attributed to individual researchers. --illythr (talk) 18:20, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Viipuri/Vyborg naming RfC

For editors who are interested, there is an RfC over at Talk:Continuation War about which name we should use for the town of Vyborg/Viipuri during World War II. This will affect this article, as well as quite a others on the Finnish/Soviet conflict. Some of the other articles affected include Continuation War, Battle of Tali-Ihantala, Battle of Tienhaara, Battle of Vyborg Bay (1944), Vyborg–Petrozavodsk Offensive, and Baltic Sea campaigns (1939–1945). If you could comment, it would be very much appreciated. The RfC thread can be found here. Regards — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 14:59, 14 November 2011 (UTC)