Talk:Wisdom tooth

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edit·history·watch·refresh Stock post message.svg To-do list for Wisdom tooth:
  • Wisdom teeth as vestigial structures
  • Variation among races (The Descent of Man gives some information on these two issues)
  • Normal Eruption - add a section on this - eg how long does it take
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Operculum[edit]

I have done my homework but am not entirely confident about my recent edit. Is an operculum considered an, or part of an, impaction? Is it a type, or part, of soft tissue impaction? I believe it's neither, but may be wrong.


Etymology[edit]

The previous Etymology reinterated the common misconception in the Netherlands that the Dutch word derives from 'far-standing molars', and that the English word is a mistranslation of this word. Even in the Netherlands this is nothing more than folk etymology. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.84.61.67 (talkcontribs)

Change to anatomy article[edit]

The plan is to clean up and convert the article to anatomy once LT910001 returns to the land of broad-band. Until then, I've put a temporary See also tag on the article to link to Impacted wisdom teeth. Will get to this next week some time. Until then, please add any comments you'd like us to incorporate. Ian Furst (talk) 13:33, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I have completed the cleanup. The structure, function and history sections are all a bit sparse. Having rearranged it, I would suggest relocate "Post-extraction problems", "Treatment controversy" and "Potential uses" to either Dental extraction or Impacted wisdom teeth. I have also slightly reworded the 'agenesis' paragraph to make it more readable to the layman, I hope that this preserves the meaning you intend. Kind regards, --LT910001 (talk) 04:44, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
OK, I have already included the post-extraction problems (MEDMOS term is Risks and complications, the treatment controversy immediately following it (took care to make make each side equal weight and to use Hildabast's wording). I'll delete these two sections from here. Re potential uses, I'm concerned about this section. The first section is original research about stem cell harvest and the second reference is from time magazine on tooth transplant from 1964. The second paragraph needs to go. The first section is interesting but very original research. As per MEDMOS it should go but I'd like to get other opinions. Is it new and important enough to include original research? I don't know enough about MEDMOS protocol or microbio to make an informed opinion. Is there someone on the Wikiproject with advanced knowledge of stem cell therapy? Ian Furst (talk) 11:31, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
Re the section on impaction and partial eruption. Both are incomplete/inaccurate and need new references. Do you want me to make a small summary of the information (with references) from the impacted wisdom teeth article or remove the section LT910001? Ian Furst (talk) 11:44, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

A few points:

  • The article currently does not really give much detail on the actual anatomy. Try here for some useful sources: [1]
  • The see also link to impacted wisdom teeth at the end of the lead and again in the clinical relevance section. Suggest if you want an obvious link, to use the hatnote format at the beginning of the lead:

{{Hatnote|For improper growth of wisdom teeth, please see [[impacted wisdom teeth]].}}

... except with better wording ;-) Alternatively scrap the link in the lead and just have the one in the clinical relevance section. Lesion (talk) 12:33, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Perfect, LT910001, rather than rewriting the section on clinical significance to bring it inline with the new article, I'm going to add a short summarizing paragraph and put the hatnote after OK? Ian Furst (talk) 13:35, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
BTW, I've got one of the major researchers in the field involved, he's not very techy so I send him each revision as a word doc. It's going well. Ian Furst (talk) 13:41, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Chopped down clinical significance[edit]

I've chopped down the clinical significance section and replaced with a short paragraph for now. I'll start working on building some of this back up. Genetics of impaction, Moss's theory of growth (and how it relates to impaction) and other theories of impaction. Mentions of wisdom teeth from Hippocrates, Darwin, etc... All the anatomic stuff that wasn't appropriate for the impacted teeth article. Ian Furst (talk) 02:38, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

History[edit]

I feel as if this article needs to go in depth more on the history of wisdom teeth especially with Homo sapiens. This page does not inform readers on the history of why we have wisdom teeth or how the first humans used them for the breakdown of grain. Secondly, it does not explain why we get them removed today. For example, the jaw of a Homo sapiens is smaller now that it was for our ancestors therefore we do not have adequate amounts of room in our mouth for them. Finally, since they are vestigial structures and evolution is slowly working on them, explain how humans may no longer have third molars in the future due to the disuse of them. Stine.45 (talk) 01:28, 2 October 2014 (UTC)